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Re: Turner answers to....?
Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 12:52 pm
by cutter
Mexmustang wrote:
Secondly, if I was in a position to endow a new school, I don't beleive I would be too thrilled about donating to a school that would be known to cater to marginal students--"Oh, Mexmustang College, the one for dummies".
Agreed.
You should read the ESPN article that Stallion posted re: the NCAA changing the qualification requirements to allow the absolute lowest SAT score (400) for athletes, if you haven't already. It's a bit scary.
I think, I'm backing away from the edge of the cliff and seeing that the NCAA minimum requirements perhaps isn't the best for the institution or the athlete.
Still, a more favorable balancing act between the goals of academics and athletics in evaluating marginal student candidates should be continually sought, as difficult as it is.
Re: Turner answers to....?
Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 1:00 pm
by Nacho
the admissions committee might want to give their verdict a tad earlier than the middle of july. by waiting so late they seem to be rubbing june's nose in it. the admissions committee seems to have an agenda that doesn't include the success of the football team and are quite pleased to embarrass june.
Re: Turner answers to....?
Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 1:07 pm
by cutter
Nacho wrote:the admissions committee might want to give their verdict a tad earlier than the middle of july. by waiting so late they seem to be rubbing june's nose in it. the admissions committee seems to have an agenda that doesn't include the success of the football team and are quite pleased to embarrass june.
I agree.
JJ seems to have the wherewithal and skills to navigate through this kind of stuff. With the fan base uproar, hopefully things will change.
Re: Turner answers to....?
Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 2:23 pm
by BIGHORSE
Insane_Pony_Posse wrote:Isn't it time yet again in this thread for Stallion to remind us all again and again and again and again and again and again and again how terrible and corrupt SMU was almost 25 years ago? Now that we have a great coach and are winning again Stallion must concentrate on events of a quarter century ago. Down the road Stallion will be in the nursing home slobbering and babbling about how bad SMU was and how everybody else was so wonderful. What a guy!
Re: Turner answers to....?
Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 2:34 pm
by Mestengo
I find this satire cruel and thoughtless disregard to our seniors. Isn’t that a Mustang Club member anyways?
Re: Turner answers to....?
Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 2:59 pm
by PK
Nacho wrote:the admissions committee might want to give their verdict a tad earlier than the middle of july. by waiting so late they seem to be rubbing june's nose in it. the admissions committee seems to have an agenda that doesn't include the success of the football team and are quite pleased to embarrass june.
Seems to me this is a case of damned if you do and damned if you don't. Based on Kate's article, the California student's final semester grade reports were not available until the middle of June. If they are giving this kid every chance and waiting for that grades report, how do they let him know sooner? They could have told the kid to not bother with waiting and get on with your life else where much earlier in the process, but then everyone would have bitched that they didn't give him a chance by waiting for his final grades. Perhaps what the admin and the coaches should have done is told him to start working on a plan B for "just in case purposes" when it became obvious that he might have problems.
Re: Turner answers to....?
Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 3:21 pm
by SoCal_Pony
always wondered how SMU's fate might have been different if James Zumberge had stayed as President instead of bolting for USC.
HB Dad, what was the USC opinion of Zumberge as their President?
Re: Turner answers to....?
Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 3:26 pm
by cutter
PK wrote:Perhaps what the admin and the coaches should have done is told him to start working on a plan B for "just in case purposes" when it became obvious that he might have problems.
Perhaps that's exactly what they did, but the public face of the post-rejection story is one of surprise and disappointment? I guess, I can imagine a young kid not wanting to say that 'I knew all along that I was a borderline applicant, but I kept hoping that the coaches could pull some strings'.
Re: Turner answers to....?
Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 3:39 pm
by RGV Pony
cutter wrote:PK wrote:Perhaps what the admin and the coaches should have done is told him to start working on a plan B for "just in case purposes" when it became obvious that he might have problems.
what's gonna really suck is when either a) opposing head coaches or b) the HS coaches of our recruits tell them that very thing when it's learned SMU is in the mix
Re: Turner answers to....?
Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 3:47 pm
by HB Pony Dad
SoCal_Pony wrote:always wondered how SMU's fate might have been different if James Zumberge had stayed as President instead of bolting for USC.
HB Dad, what was the USC opinion of Zumberge as their President?
He wasn't Topping or Hubbard; the school improved academically, but the two FB coaches sucked.
Ted Tollner was bad, but Larry Smith was the worst!
In the1992 Freedom Bowl, he lost to unranked Fresno State!
His infamous quote after the game
"Names and logos don't mean anything. You don't beat someone just because of your name and logo."
That really PO'd every Trojan and Steve Sample, James Zumberge's successor as President, fired his [deleted]!
Steve Sample is the President who has built USC both athletically and academically!
Even if "Cheat" Carroll was on his watch!
Re: Turner answers to....?
Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 4:00 pm
by cutter
RGV Pony wrote:
what's gonna really suck is when either a) opposing head coaches or b) the HS coaches of our recruits tell them that very thing when it's learned SMU is in the mix
Yep.
But, JJ sounded confident that he and his staff could overcome the anticipated digs. Hopefully, all the complaints will have some positive effect for future admissions evaluations.
Re: Turner answers to....?
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 7:39 am
by 2112
Insane_Pony_Posse wrote:Isn't it time yet again in this thread for Stallion to remind us all again and again and again and again and again and again and again how terrible and corrupt SMU was almost 25 years ago? Now that we have a great coach and are winning again Stallion must concentrate on events of a quarter century ago. Down the road Stallion will be in the nursing home slobbering and babbling about how bad SMU was and how everybody else was so wonderful. What a guy!
old man stallion...gets sum sista luv..
Re: Turner answers to....?
Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 7:49 am
by ALEX LIFESON
Insane_Pony_Posse wrote:Isn't it time yet again in this thread for Stallion to remind us all again and again and again and again and again and again and again how terrible and corrupt SMU was almost 25 years ago? Now that we have a great coach and are winning again Stallion must concentrate on events of a quarter century ago. Down the road Stallion will be in the nursing home slobbering and babbling about how bad SMU was and how everybody else was so wonderful. What a guy!
Come on jtstang, you have to rate this one an A+?
Re: Turner answers to....?
Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 8:08 am
by EastStang
Let's take a hypothetical football recruit. He scored 450 combined on his SAT's. He did slightly better on the ACTs but has a 2.48 GPA through 3/4's of his senior year in core courses. He graduates in late May. Everyone knows he currently would not get admitted. The Coach tells him to work his ___ off the final quarter and see if he can bring that GPA up to 2.5. He does and miraculously gets his GPA up to 2.49999. Rounded to 2.5. He is ecstatic. In the first week of June his transcript hits the desk of the Dean of Admissions. He looks at it and say, "no soap". Coach appeals to the Admissions Committee. One member is on vacation for two weeks in Cabo. Another is on an archeological dig for a month in Egypt. Another is here, but on a two week bender. Another member is working on a the finishing touches of a research paper which pays him $100,000 and is due June 25. So, the Committee can't meet until the last week of June, when they give the kid a thumbs down. He is notified the first week of July. I would almost bet that is the scenario we have at SMU. So, I can hear the suggestion have a larger committee. But wait, the larger the committee, the more likely it will be that you get unfriendly professors. These guys let in 23/23 up to early June. So, what should we do to correct this problem.
Re: Turner answers to....?
Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 9:33 am
by Stallion
that recruit would be a non-qualifier. The standard is not 2.5 or 900. You could be a qualifier or non-qualifier with either 2.5 or 900 SAT. You've got to check the sliding scale.