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ericdickerson4life wrote:
BRStang wrote:I agree with Stallion, and this is why AFA, Navy and apparently Boise are hesitant to jump. They are (probably like SMU) considering whether they should stand pat or go with this merger plan, which seems like a cluster to most people. The fact remains though, that with more teams clamoring to get out of the Big East, and no one standing up to support it and add more teams, the Big East is losing its grip. What happens if ND pulls out? Does the B1G take Rutgers and Uconn too? What happens if the Big 12 invites Lville, Cincy and WVU after Mizzou defects? The Big East is no longer, that's what happens. And, I bet if you ask, each of those schools would wish for that scenario immediately. And by the way, don't be foolish enough to think the BCS and ESPN wouldn't change the rules to cripple a C-USA in Big East clothing.

For the record, I am still holding out hope that the Big East moves quickly and decisively and can stabilize this thing before its too late.

Again, nothing has changed since day one. These were all possibilities, with a ton of others out there. Let's see the B12 2 months ago was seen as the least stable conference. What, they have an agreement now (essentially between OU and UT) to hold the thing together until one or both decides they want to move on. All the schools in the B12 probably would like to jump to the SEC/PAC 12/B10 as well if they had an opportunity. Money and stability is all that matters. Right now it's about perception and what makes news and BE realignment is making news. Again, nothing has changed since the initial invite/rumor. We jump ship and move forward. If the BE collapses and we don't get into an AQ when the wheels stop turning we join the Sunbelt because it won't matter. Any serious team that wants to have a chance to be in the upper echelon of college football would never look at the merger scenario. That is like standing in line to be executed without even being forced in the line.


With the exception that I don't think "nothing has changed" (sorry for the double-negative), I don't disagree with you. WVU is supposedly leaving and possibly Louisville, too. That is a change. However, the more time that goes by without the Big East making positive news, the worse the circumstances seem to become for the conference. My big concern is that there is no more Big East to join by the time everyone finishes jumping ship.

Could invites to the six schools and acceptances by AFA and Boise have stabilized things a bit? I don't know. I don't think you would have this crazy panic all over the place. But, I agree, there was always the possibilty of defections. I just think the Big East should be trying to work through that situation calmly and methodically, rather than letting this all out panic take hold.

I will say this: I know it would be a coup, but if the Big East could snag BYU along with the Boise, AFA, Navy, SMU, UCF and Houston, I think the Big East ship stops sinking immediately.
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ericdickerson4life wrote:So what do I do with my SWC, WAC, CUSA, and soon to be BE t-shirts?


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ericdickerson4life wrote:So what do I do with my SWC, WAC, CUSA, and soon to be BE t-shirts?

By some extra tickets, put them on life size human cardboard cutouts, and help fill Ford for the tv crews.
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I tend to agree with the writer, i.e., that the Big East was a football conference doomed to fail. Bottom line is that the Big 10 (who started all of this), SEC, ACC, PAC XII and probably Big XII will control how it all plays out.

Notre Dame has to be anxious these days as they could get squeezed.

Will we eventually see that "true" CUSA that reaches coast to coast and consists of all the left overs once the big boys make their selections to fill out their dance cards?

At least all these delays give us message board dwellers food for thought.
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you are consistently wrong on this national CUSA-you keep saying it but that's not where this is going. You may want to read another source
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BRStang wrote:I agree with Stallion, and this is why AFA, Navy and apparently Boise are hesitant to jump. They are (probably like SMU) considering whether they should stand pat or go with this merger plan, which seems like a cluster to most people. The fact remains though, that with more teams clamoring to get out of the Big East, and no one standing up to support it and add more teams, the Big East is losing its grip. What happens if ND pulls out? Does the B1G take Rutgers and Uconn too? What happens if the Big 12 invites Lville, Cincy and WVU after Mizzou defects? The Big East is no longer, that's what happens. And, I bet if you ask, each of those schools would wish for that scenario immediately. And by the way, don't be foolish enough to think the BCS and ESPN wouldn't change the rules to cripple a C-USA in Big East clothing.

For the record, I am still holding out hope that the Big East moves quickly and decisively and can stabilize this thing before its too late.

So in a couple of years when the big east "crumbles" would you rather have been there for football AND basketball or still be sitting in cusamwcwac? Hoping to be one of the chosen few?
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Dutch wrote:
BRStang wrote:I agree with Stallion, and this is why AFA, Navy and apparently Boise are hesitant to jump. They are (probably like SMU) considering whether they should stand pat or go with this merger plan, which seems like a cluster to most people. The fact remains though, that with more teams clamoring to get out of the Big East, and no one standing up to support it and add more teams, the Big East is losing its grip. What happens if ND pulls out? Does the B1G take Rutgers and Uconn too? What happens if the Big 12 invites Lville, Cincy and WVU after Mizzou defects? The Big East is no longer, that's what happens. And, I bet if you ask, each of those schools would wish for that scenario immediately. And by the way, don't be foolish enough to think the BCS and ESPN wouldn't change the rules to cripple a C-USA in Big East clothing.

For the record, I am still holding out hope that the Big East moves quickly and decisively and can stabilize this thing before its too late.

So in a couple of years when the big east "crumbles" would you rather have been there for football AND basketball or still be sitting in cusamwcwac? Hoping to be one of the chosen few?


No, I still think we have to make the Big East jump. I just worry that there will be no more Big East left by the time invites are finally made. Or worse, that the more time, scrutiny and b!thching that passes about "SMU to the Big East" the possibility increases that we are kicked to the curb for someone else maybe more appealing in certain ways--i.e., Memphis, Temple, ECU, etc... No, absolutely, SMU should make the jump even if it means BCS status for only a year or two.
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First I'd rather be TCU in the Big 12 but then SMU in Big East then we can get around to building a conference that could probably be stable

SMU
TCU
Houston
Tech
Baylor
Southern Miss
UCF
USF
K-State
iowa St
Louisville
BYU
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Stallion wrote:First I'd rather be TCU in the Big 12 but then SMU in Big East then we can get around to building a conference that could probably be stable

SMU
TCU
Houston
Tech
Baylor
Southern Miss
UCF
USF
K-State
iowa St
Louisville
BYU


I don't understand what you're saying here...?
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Stallion wrote:First I'd rather be TCU in the Big 12 but then SMU in Big East then we can get around to building a conference that could probably be stable

SMU
TCU
Houston
Tech
Baylor
Southern Miss
UCF
USF
K-State
iowa St
Louisville
BYU


would this be the 5th "superconference"? That's how I see this ultimately playing out...years down the road.
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I'm saying eventually down the road the Biggest National schools are going to be in 4 Conferences and leave the rest at lower levels. These are the schools nobody wants but still have competitive football programs that want to compete and have some media value. Look at how far we gone down this road in only 2 decades-and its accelerating not slowing down
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Stallion wrote:I'm saying eventually down the road the Biggest National schools are going to be in 4 Conferences and leave the rest at lower levels. These are the schools nobody wants but still have competitive football programs that want to compete. Look at how far we gone down this road in only 2 decades-and its accelerating not slowing down


Ahhh...I gotcha. I haven't done the math, but that wouldn't seem to pan out though if there are 4 16-team conferences, would it?
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TOP 63 teams in a 64-team BCS league (4 conferences of 16 teams):

BC
Clemson
FSU
Maryland
NC State
WF
Duke
Ga Tech
Miami
NC
UVA
VT
Texas
aTm
OU
OSU
Kansas
KSU
TTech
Iowa St.
Mizzou
Baylor
LSU
Bama
Auburn
Arky
Ole Miss
Miss St.
Fla.
UGA
UK
SC
Tennessee
Vandy
Notre Dame
Ohio St.
Michigan
Mich. St.
Iowa
Minn
Penn St.
Illinois
Indiana
Purdue
Wisc
Nebraska
Northwestern
USC
UCLA
Oregon
Oregon St.
Arizona
Arizona St.
Stanford
Cal
Utah
Colorado
Wash
Wash St.
WVU
Syracuse
Pitt
Rutgers

So, who gets the last spot??? SMU, Houston, Louisville, Cincy, UCF, USF? Now, maybe the Big Boys in the other BCS conferences will kick out underperformers like Vandy, WF, Baylor, and/or Duke...but what do you notice about those schools???
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