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Well, Auburn's rating is only slightly better.

At least Auburn has the excuse of no only having a new starter this year, but they are also going away from the spread and into more of a pro style. I think this may actually hurt Auburn because Frazier fits perfectly into the spread. However, we cannot use that excuse because GG has been in a spread system his entire life

Just pointing we're in good company

Just pointing we're in good company

The main reason why Junes' system is hard to run is that you need an extremely precise quarterback who can process too much information about the defense and have a bunch of very fast and very smart wide receivers adjusting routes on the fly to the defensive read THEY deduct. How many QBs/WR's can do both of those things at full speed? And how many of those have the wide receivers who can understand the defense as well as a QB/center can and adjust their routes on the fly.

5 wide receivers out running on every play. and sometimes one of those receivers will be Line who goes out and runs to the flat. Now the receivers are allowed to change direction based on the defensive read.

The QB has to first remember all the starting conditions of the play - ie where the receivers would run if there was no defense. Then pre snap depending on what the defense is showing him, he has to figure out where they will run from what they see on the field. And then post snap he has to read I'm guessing 1 or 2 receivers and then decide whether to throw the ball away or read the 3rd and 4th. This is because in this damn offense the QB has minimum protection on nearly every play.

In a run and shoot because of the number of wide receivers the possibility of a blitz getting to GG or Zach is very high - he has minimum protection.

The quarterback like GG has to be so damn precise, because each part of the field is now crowded with NOT only the defenders, but ALSO now the other wide receivers who have adjusted their routes.

There are so many intricate patterns - the more receivers you have the more number of routes to remember on each play. GG is essentially trying to use every part of the passing tree in different combinations and then adjusting all that on the fly while this young OL tries to protect him.

I fell sorry for GG, who really will be a good QB.....somewhere. I hope he figures this out before he gets injured and we have to then get his replacement and then it starts all over again....geez.

It is all about recruiting folks. We all expected that JJ would be recruiting 3 stars and above by his 5th year.We also expected that he would have a top rated QB to run this complicated offense. I personally posted early on that it would take JJ 5 years to start showing the progress we all expect and that anything else would be a plus. To date we have none/little of the above unless you count 3 bottom feeder bowl games. All of the analysis and critiques in the world are irrelevant unless you have the talent to compete. We are simply not big enough, fast enough, strong enough or athletic enough and the 2013 recruiting class is a giant step backward.

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ponyscott wrote:The main reason why Junes' system is hard to run is that you need an extremely precise quarterback who can process too much information about the defense and have a bunch of very fast and very smart wide receivers adjusting routes on the fly to the defensive read THEY deduct. How many QBs/WR's can do both of those things at full speed? And how many of those have the wide receivers who can understand the defense as well as a QB/center can and adjust their routes on the fly.

5 wide receivers out running on every play. and sometimes one of those receivers will be Line who goes out and runs to the flat. Now the receivers are allowed to change direction based on the defensive read.

The QB has to first remember all the starting conditions of the play - ie where the receivers would run if there was no defense. Then pre snap depending on what the defense is showing him, he has to figure out where they will run from what they see on the field. And then post snap he has to read I'm guessing 1 or 2 receivers and then decide whether to throw the ball away or read the 3rd and 4th. This is because in this damn offense the QB has minimum protection on nearly every play.

In a run and shoot because of the number of wide receivers the possibility of a blitz getting to GG or Zach is very high - he has minimum protection.

The quarterback like GG has to be so damn precise, because each part of the field is now crowded with NOT only the defenders, but ALSO now the other wide receivers who have adjusted their routes.

There are so many intricate patterns - the more receivers you have the more number of routes to remember on each play. GG is essentially trying to use every part of the passing tree in different combinations and then adjusting all that on the fly while this young OL tries to protect him.

I fell sorry for GG, who really will be a good QB.....somewhere. I hope he figures this out before he gets injured and we have to then get his replacement and then it starts all over again....geez.

Very good points. The WRs need to be just as in tune with the offense as the QB. I am not willing ot write off Gilbert just yet. Some of the throws have been spot on and would have been nabbed by strong WRs. The pick vs. Baylor that bounced off the WR's hands and some of the deep balls that were inches away from being TDs (there was a perfect one vs. A&M that would have been 6 pts had our WR been able to notch it up one more gear).

I don't really know what I'm talking about, but it's got to be hard throwing to tiny receivers. "Catch radius" or whatever it's called. The precision has to be perfect. Maybe that's partially an issue. I think GG has done well and is probably used to throwing to much bigger targets (looking at old UT tape, those receivers looked huge - of course, it seems everybody's receivers are bigger than ours -- someone like Deiter who's actually pretty big looks about the same size as aTm's and BU's starting 2-3 WRs). If you're going to be tiny, you need to lightning fast with great hands (and be "savvy" on the field like Beasley was). I don't see any of our small guys with that combination with the exception of maybe DJ.

Anyway, what do I know.

Overly complicated, unproductive offense.

Agreed that this offense is too complicated for most QBs, hence why we haven't had a productive one at SMU under JJ yet.

GG is a good quarterback and I think he will do well when he leaves June or hopefully when June leaves him. I really dont understand some of the idiots on this board and others who think GG is the problem, he's not. Any QB will have a tough time getting this crappy offense going his first year and it takes time to get used to. If we change QBs we start from zero.

Most NFL teams run essentially this same "crappy" offense.

Lebanese4Life wrote: If we change QBs we start from zero.

We do that with great regularity.

ponyboy wrote:Most NFL teams run essentially this same "crappy" offense.

Sorry ponyboy no they don't...not this system.

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