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1983 Cotton Bowl wrote:Well, we'll see. Interesting that the anti-Hart rumblings have started on this board already. "Turner lap-dog", "Turner yes-man". Where is this stuff coming from? The guy's been on the job for less than 90 days. So far, the only thing that's apparent is that he has a different public demeanor than Orsini. So what? That tells us absolutely nothing about the kind of AD Hart will be. Let's just give the guy a chance before we start tearing him down. First big test will be the hiring of a new football staff in a year or two.

I agree. Most of the posts have been ready, fire, aim (and, lately, fire, fire, fire). Making Turner the bad guy or showing impatience with Hart are hardly justifed on facts or evidence. Being anxious or impatient for success is something I share, but flame throwing? Not so much. JJ is our guy this season and I wish he showed passion outside the locker room (actually, I assume/hope he is). JJ needs to be selling fans and students, but it appears he thinks that is someone else's job.

According to sources deep inside the department, Orsini's firing and Hart's hiring is just the start of an orchestrated death march back to mediocrity. June's apathy may be a response to knowing that Turner et. al. on the academic side did not like the idea of athletics gaining popularity and power on campus. On the inside, there is a ton of frustration on June's side of not getting what he needs to win from the Presidents office. In the future, there will be changes in academic standards and a slow retraction of the other resources and attitude needed for winning. Strap in folks. Being bad is going to our future.

Fortunately the ultimate power is money and I don't see any liberal academic only billionaires waltzing money in there, so if they ask for donations you say not until I see more into our football program, and possibility to get rid of the ridiculous tenure crap universities have implemented

Dr.7432 wrote:According to sources deep inside the department, Orsini's firing and Hart's hiring is just the start of an orchestrated death march back to mediocrity. June's apathy may be a response to knowing that Turner et. al. on the academic side did not like the idea of athletics gaining popularity and power on campus. On the inside, there is a ton of frustration on June's side of not getting what he needs to win from the Presidents office. In the future, there will be changes in academic standards and a slow retraction of the other resources and attitude needed for winning. Strap in folks. Being bad is going to our future.

Turner will be here for 2- 2 to 1/2 more years max before he retires on his schedule, hopefully we can endure...some inroads were made recently. Make no mistake, as Turner is in the way, big time. (foreign language requirements from ALL students including athletes, and still NO athletic friendly majors like they have at other successful major Private institutions like Northwestern and Stanford?) Orsini's firing wasn't some conspiracy though...it got personal. Their will be some push-back from donors/fan groups soon methinks...the old $ donors are complacent but younger $ guys are restless...the pressure is building.
The Big East basketball deal will be the deal breaker as we CANNOT compete against those schools with our current curriculum at SMU as those schools will eat us up with their athletic friendly models for inner city ballers. They can get in here, but can they stay in school at SMU is the big question.

ponyscott wrote:

Dr.7432 wrote:According to sources deep inside the department, Orsini's firing and Hart's hiring is just the start of an orchestrated death march back to mediocrity. June's apathy may be a response to knowing that Turner et. al. on the academic side did not like the idea of athletics gaining popularity and power on campus. On the inside, there is a ton of frustration on June's side of not getting what he needs to win from the Presidents office. In the future, there will be changes in academic standards and a slow retraction of the other resources and attitude needed for winning. Strap in folks. Being bad is going to our future.

Turner will be here for 2- 2 to 1/2 more years max before he retires on his schedule, hopefully we can endure...some inroads were made recently. Orsini's firing wasn't some conspiracy...it got personal. Their will be some push-back from donors/fan groups soon methinks...the old $ donors are complacent but younger $ guys are restless...the pressure is building.

I hope so... I feel ppl don't care enough to take the time to protest and fight against this anti football (and baseball hehe) culture in this ridiculous admin

Dr.7432 wrote:According to sources deep inside the department, Orsini's firing and Hart's hiring is just the start of an orchestrated death march back to mediocrity.

so according to your source, they are deliberately trying to become mediocre? that makes no sense whatsoever...

SMU2007 wrote:

Dr.7432 wrote:According to sources deep inside the department, Orsini's firing and Hart's hiring is just the start of an orchestrated death march back to mediocrity.

so according to your source, they are deliberately trying to become mediocre? that makes no sense whatsoever...

It doesn't make since why the faculty hates sports particularly football. I guess they think its a conservative attack on their liberal ideology... That doesn't make sense so anything is possible. I mean I'm not saying turner is against football, but anything is possible

YES!!! I can confirm that SMU is planning serious long term academic changes for athletes!!! (Stunned silence) ALL NCAA SCHOOLS ARE FACED WITH UNPRECEDENTED ACADEMIC REQUIREMENTS starting now through 2016. For once in your life read about the changes and stop with the ridiculous conspiracy claims of those who don't know what they are talking about. This is not 1990 any more-all schools have to change-it ain't business as usual in College Sports . See the Box to Right of the Link summarizing changes-they are MAJOR changes

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story ... t-athletes

Always loopholes...

No these are pre-admission changes which will be implemented through NCAA Clearinghouse and apply to all schools. (This is the other side of the coin to the already implemented APR requirements that apply to the universities post-admission). Fact is SMU will actually be raising-not lowering- their present standards to meet new NCAA MINIMUMS. We still will be on an even more competitive playing field as we have been for a half decade and the better prepared recruits will have a better chance of fulfilling the post admission APR requirements.

SMU_Alumni11 wrote:Fortunately the ultimate power is money and I don't see any liberal academic only billionaires waltzing money in there, so if they ask for donations you say not until I see more into our football program, and possibility to get rid of the ridiculous tenure crap universities have implemented

What does tenure have to do with this?

To give a little perspective-as article notes a study has found that 35% of all Football recruits and 43% of all Basketball recruits will eventually be impacted by these new standards based on past performance. Everybody remain calm

Wow, are we really dragging out this tired old conspiracy theory crap? Any time you see a reference to our foreign language requirements (which match everyone else's) in a forum thread you know you've got some oldtimers off their meds.

Grant Carter wrote:

SMU_Alumni11 wrote:Fortunately the ultimate power is money and I don't see any liberal academic only billionaires waltzing money in there, so if they ask for donations you say not until I see more into our football program, and possibility to get rid of the ridiculous tenure crap universities have implemented

What does tenure have to do with this?

Everything, you know what tenure is right? Guarantee to essentially not be fired so if they want to spew the anti sports hate, they can without recourse. If they want to have ford a new spot for classroom they can. It's not directly onnevted, never said that but I'm saying one side holds all the marbles...

SMU2007 wrote:

Dr.7432 wrote:According to sources deep inside the department, Orsini's firing and Hart's hiring is just the start of an orchestrated death march back to mediocrity.

so according to your source, they are deliberately trying to become mediocre? that makes no sense whatsoever...

It has to do with power and egos. There are still plenty of academics around from Turner's regime and DP days with axes to grind. I didn't say it made sense.