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Gary Patterson doesn't give a flying f#ck about integrity, morality, decency, or his kids.

He cares about winning. TCU has become Miami 1990.

Sad. Not to be a prude but as you stroll down the Boulevard or through the TCU campus to the stadium there are those people having a good time with or without alcohol and those a little over the top being louder and then those people who have been overserved and are rip-roaring drunk and obnoxious to everyone around them.I noticed how many young TCU students stumbling into the game last week cursing and verbally abusing the campus help. I mention this because we are such a double-standard look the other way society and it really disappoints when our universities, especially the Christian ones don't take a stand with the unruly ones. Same way at the Ranger games with the drunks.the language is so bad the people with young families are being squeezed out with the drunken behavior.I am all for having a good time but if you can't keep it clean I want those people removed and get them some help! ......and if they have an umbrella it is even worse!!

ghost wrote:Sad. Not to be a prude but as you stroll down the Boulevard or through the TCU campus to the stadium there are those people having a good time with or without alcohol and those a little over the top being louder and then those people who have been overserved and are rip-roaring drunk and obnoxious to everyone around them.I noticed how many young TCU students stumbling into the game last week cursing and verbally abusing the campus help. I mention this because we are such a double-standard look the other way society and it really disappoints when our universities, especially the Christian ones don't take a stand with the unruly ones. Same way at the Ranger games with the drunks.the language is so bad the people with young families are being squeezed out with the drunken behavior.I am all for having a good time but if you can't keep it clean I want those people removed and get them some help! ......and if they have an umbrella it is even worse!!

Amen man, I would say removing the bad drunks from all stadiums and making it more family friend especially at the Christian based universities. They are an embarrassment and ones that you wish you could just sweep them under the rug. Like you said drinking is fine and the border of buzz and drunk is fine so long as you don't annoy other people like the one doucher SMU frat kid you kept falling on my girlfriend and me which I instructed him he will meet SMUs AstroTurf if he didn't get out or get it together. I doubt with how society is turning out that anything is going to change I can't even imagine what it will be like when I have a son or daughter and trying to raise them with this environment yet alone try to take them to an smu football game...

Those of you that follow the board know i predicted this earlier in the year - and not to pull a stallion but it was about the most obvious thing ever.

it really is a burden being right all the time.

gostangs wrote:Those of you that follow the board know i predicted this earlier in the year - and not to pull a stallion but it was about the most obvious thing ever.

it really is a burden being right all the time.

Me and my buddies were saying before the season that we were on borrowed time with Pachall. The TCU fans I know are certainly not surprised...

i know everyone wants to win, and not sure how SMU would have responded had he wanted to come here, but sometimes when you see someone with a ton of drunk face book pictures, tatted up beyond belief, who was in the center of the pot storm over there - you can call the duck a duck and move on to the next QB on the list. TCU wasted alot of time on this "underachiever".

Their young backup qb is pretty good.

Many folks have talked about getting 'help' for this young man...great concept, little return.

'Help' doesn't take root until 'help' is requested. Every indication is that Mr. Pachall either is addicted to lifestyle, or addicted to a chemical/alcohol component..if not both. Up to now there has been no incentive, as it were, for him to change the current norm.

I do hope he has folks that will hold him accountable, and that there will be the proverbial 'carrot' to encourage him to want that 'change.' As of now, it appears there have been none of these things implimented in this young man's life...by his own hand or by those around him.

Tragic

First thing is first. Somebody has to get this kid help or at the very least evaluated by a professional who is not a TCU football fan. I would really like to know if this kid has a problem or he is just stupid. If he has a problem, it is morally wrong to flush the kid. As the adults in the situation, TCU has to look out for the health and welfare of the student athlete. If the kid is just stupid... He will soon become someone else's problem.

As far as the drinking by both TCU and SMU students at the game... How many of us have had one or five too many and misbehaved? It happens. It is nothing to be proud off. If the problem starts to get out of hand, the school will come down on all of us. Which will be unfortunate.

peruna81 wrote:Many folks have talked about getting 'help' for this young man...great concept, little return.

'Help' doesn't take root until 'help' is requested. Every indication is that Mr. Pachall either is addicted to lifestyle, or addicted to a chemical/alcohol component..if not both. Up to now there has been no incentive, as it were, for him to change the current norm.

I do hope he has folks that will hold him accountable, and that there will be the proverbial 'carrot' to encourage him to want that 'change.' As of now, it appears there have been none of these things implimented in this young man's life...by his own hand or by those around him.

Tragic

I agree with the general tone of this post but no one knows what has or has not been implemented on his behalf. Like you say, at some point he just has to decide to make a change.

peruna81
You are correct about him wanting the help. I am sure many on this board have had to deal with or have dealt with family members in a similar situation. Until that person hits rock bottom and reaches out for help you are pretty much spinning your wheels in most cases. I hope he realizes his situation and does reach out for help and turns his life around.

Look at Patterson's office statement and it says all you need to know. He says he is only suspended "from competition" not from the team so that he can bring him back later when they play some of the better Big 12 teams. Then he says "My job as a head coach is to win games, educate our kids and help them with their lives."

He says his first job is to win games. That is consistent with him not suspending him from the first game of the season against big bad Grambling at home. If he was worried about the kid he would have suspended him at beginning of season and made sure he got help. Instead he allowed him to play, but went on and suspended some WR who wasn't that important for a game instead.

If they cared about the kid he would be immediately enrolled into programs to get some help and football and keeping him on the team would be the last thing to worry about. Patterson is keeping things open to bring him back when Patterson needs him. We will get the old "we have to let the legal system run its course first and until then he can play" argument.

My hope and prayers is the kid gets help and gets his life straight. But nothing Patterson had done to date with this kid suggests he will do anything but make sure the kid can help Patterson with his number one stated job to as he put it "win games."

A very fine program was started at tech,picked up by the horns and is now starting to work on the smu campus....a program designed to get the student into a bona fide rehab program,protect his academic efforts and move on....the program has been followed in and at a number of other univertities and hopefully,tcu will take a look at its role,the same as many employers,lawfirms,hospitals ....even the military... Yhis young man needs professional help as well as legal assistance..

He'll be back for the Baylor game.

I am a pastor. That doesn't make me an expert on anything, just a victim of mostly absurd things. But it does afford me the chance to see folks/families/companies/athletes ( at times) deal with addictions.

IMO, there will be no change in this young man's life by others imposing 'programs' for him to attend as a form of mandatory or punitive transformation. It will be treated by the addict as what it is...a necessary hoop to jump through to chase the next high.

The tipping point is only known and valued by the addict himself (aka 'how far down must I fall?'). What those in positions of leadership and responsibility MUST do is begin to remove the tools and access to the secondary components of the addiction (football team, athletic system access, privilege, etc). Some argue that this will force a further downward spiral by removing the 'encouraging' parts of the system. I would argue that this brings a hastening of the aforementioned 'tipping point' of change.

What we can do, regrdless of our affiliation and allegiances to SMU or TCU, is pray that the change comes radically fast, and it will be by Pachall's own request