JJ is 4 and 21 against teams with winning records

[Mustangs35SMU]

I just need more data to understand whether 4-21 against winning teams is bad or not.

How is 4-21 in any way not bad?

[Junior]

I just need more data to understand whether 4-21 against winning teams is bad or not.

How is 4-21 in any way not bad?

please point out where i stated that it was positive in the least...

[MustangIcon]

Ok, forget my numbers. You give me yours. What percentage of the time should an 7-5 level team beat an 8-4 team? Less than 50%, right? Where would you place the number? And 9-3 teams? Less than the 8-4 number, right? Etc, etc.

What are your numbers?

1.) A 7-5 team that lost to an 8-4 team had an identical record except for their head to head game. So by your analysis, they should be a 50-50 chance split.

2.) When you take your total and divide by 5 you are assuming that the likelihood of facing a 12-0 team is the same as a 7-5 team. That logic is flawed.

3.) Your calculations are all based on the assumption that SMU should be no better than a 7-5 team. That is a low bar and furthermore is a circular argument. We are only a 7-5 team bc we do not beat competitive teams and "get fat" off of crappy teams.

4.) I find it funny that you are questioning whether someone should have received a degree from SMU when your own logic is very flawed. Stones and glass houses. This is not a personal attack on you, just having read many of your posts over the years it seems uncommon for you to make a personal attack on others and I think your position on this particular argument is rather weak.

5.) You cannot make up enough numbers to make a 4 win 20+ loss record against teams with winning records seem even remotely close to acceptable.

[SMU2007]

let's hire jeff fisher

[SoCal_Pony]

Ok, forget my numbers. You give me yours. What percentage of the time should an 7-5 level team beat an 8-4 team? Less than 50%, right?

Wrong.

For simplicity sake, assuming it is the last game of the season, both teams would be 7-4 entering the game. Also assuming there are no ties, which you certainly are, then the chances are exact 50/50, not less than 50% as you are proposing.

And I don't understand why everyone is still saying 4-21. It is 4-22 headed toward 4-23 if TCU wins another game this season.

[ponyboy]

Here's what you don't get. I'm not trying to make the numbers acceptable! I'm trying to make them intelligible. 4-21 *sounds* bad, it *feels* bad. But is it really? Not a slam dunk yes. I'm sorry, not a slam dunk yes. Unless you just want to decree it bad without a standard against which to compare it.

Name a team you *reasonably* wish we were like by this point in the June Jones era. Be reasonable and remember where we came from. Give me a name or two. And, again, be reasonable. I think 7-5 is reasonable by this point, but I'm a Jones butt kisser. Give me a name or two.

[Junior]

let's hire jeff fisher

Pretty sure the Rams are paying him quite a bit more than we would.

[ponyboy]

Somebody give me a midmajor team you reasonably wish we were equal to at this point in the June Jones era.

[SoCal_Pony]

Mustang Icon, didn't read your post. You are correct. Solid Post.

Also, JJ is 4-22. 2-11 against OOC and 2-11 against C-USA.

We all know how weak C-USA is and has been over the past 5 years. That means teams with 7-5 records in C-USA are achieving them by beating up on clearly weaker conference opponents. You would assume JJ's record against them would be better than OOC. Its NOT.

[redpony]

ok-p-boy. how about a small cali school similar to ours named Stanford. What is their record for the last few years? Or a school called TC-who which is a small private school that is about 40 miles from us.

[SMU2007]

Somebody give me a midmajor team you reasonably wish we were equal to at this point in the June Jones era.

one that could win C-USA.

[redpony]

Somebody give me a midmajor team you reasonably wish we were equal to at this point in the June Jones era.

one that could win C-USA.

La. tech. easily.

[ponyboy]

ok-p-boy. how about a small cali school similar to ours named Stanford. What is their record for the last few years? Or a school called TC-who which is a small private school that is about 40 miles from us.

You think Stanford and TCU are where we ought to *reasonably* be right now at this point in the June Jones' era? TCU won over 90% of their games in the last four years, putting them at number two in the NCAA. Stanford won over 70%, putting them at number seventeen. That's a reasonable expectation?

[redpony]

For what we are paying - why not?????????????????

[SMU 86]

In Gary Patterson's fifth full year he went 11-1. Just sayin.