UNC Virginia GT B1G

[East Coast Mustang]

Time limits for removal have likely passed or been waived by failing to secure removal prior to this ruling. Removal deadline is something like 30 days-hasn't that passed

I'm no attorney, but shouldn't they have removed this when they had the chance? Why litigate this in a NC state court, when four NC universities have so much to gain from an adverse ruling against you?

[Stallion]

I think I posted that it appeared to be immediately removable at the time and wondered why it wasn't Maybe a procedural issue-perhaps a forum selection clause.

[Dukie]

I think I posted that it appeared to be immediately removable at the time and wondered why it wasn't Maybe a procedural issue-perhaps a forum selection clause.

Maryland's panties have been so bunched over the "All Carolina Conference" for so many decades I cannot believe they would have agreed to a clause that could have placed them in an N.C. state court. However, I could believe they ineptly failed to file for removal by the deadline.

[Stallion]

Yeah I thought about that but can't really come up with another reason. These are probably top notch attorneys representing a State University so I just said there must be some procedural issue.I can't imagine removal flying over their head if it was possible. Must be procedural prerequisites involved

[East Coast Mustang]

Stallion like you said in another thread- if Maryland wiggles their way out of this with sovereign immunity, what recourse does any private entity have when entering into a contract with a state or state agency? that's insane.

[SoCal_Pony]

Why would you add UNC and NC State together? UNC delivers most of Carolina and that's all the B1G network wants, to force cable companies in NC to add the Big Ten Network to their options. So, you add one school from MD, VA, NC, Georgia and you pick up cable systems around those states. UVA has a smaller following than VT, but UVA is AAU, VT is not (its the A&M of Virginia). And you definitely get into cable systems near Balto., DC, ATL and Raleigh and Charlotte. That's their strategy. Dallas and Houston would be really nice gets to their cable contract, much bigger than Charlotte.

ES, you and others seem to be implying that B10 has first dibs on picking schools, I don't know about that. This is why I asked a simply question, if UNC holds both SEC & B10 offers, where do they go?

As for SEC not taking both UNC & NC St, while I agree it is less than ideal, I think what many are failing to grasp is that if indeed the Bigs all go to 18, the SEC will have to add 4 more schools. This is the 1 conference that does not need to expand too far geographically. Adding Pitt may work for B10 or B12, it would be a massive failure for the SEC.

So you tell me, what 4 schools would YOU add if criteria is no 2nd school in an existing state. Your 3rd and 4th schools will be weak links, while allowing competitors access to your turf by taking quality schools. That is why I wouldn't rule out Fl St to the SEC or adding both UNC and NC St if they want to monopolize that state.

[East Coast Mustang]

Why would you add UNC and NC State together? UNC delivers most of Carolina and that's all the B1G network wants, to force cable companies in NC to add the Big Ten Network to their options. So, you add one school from MD, VA, NC, Georgia and you pick up cable systems around those states. UVA has a smaller following than VT, but UVA is AAU, VT is not (its the A&M of Virginia). And you definitely get into cable systems near Balto., DC, ATL and Raleigh and Charlotte. That's their strategy. Dallas and Houston would be really nice gets to their cable contract, much bigger than Charlotte.

ES, you and others seem to be implying that B10 has first dibs on picking schools, I don't know about that. This is why I asked a simply question, if UNC holds both SEC & B10 offers, where do they go?

As for SEC not taking both UNC & NC St, while I agree it is less than ideal, I think what many are failing to grasp is that if indeed the Bigs all go to 18, the SEC will have to add 4 more schools. This is the 1 conference that does not need to expand too far geographically. Adding Pitt may work for B10 or B12, it would be a massive failure for the SEC.

So you tell me, what 4 schools would YOU add if criteria is no 2nd school in an existing state. Your 3rd and 4th schools will be weak links, while allowing competitors access to your turf by taking quality schools. That is why I wouldn't rule out Fl St to the SEC or adding both UNC and NC St if they want to monopolize that state.

I honestly think, all things considered, UNC and UVa will go to B10 together rather than SEC. It's a better institutional fit and the $$ difference isn't much at that point. VT and NCSU are better fits for the SEC, that's where they'll end up IMO.

Duke and Wake Forest- our new conference mates?

[SoCal_Pony]

I can see that as well ECM, but under that scenario, the SEC still needs 2 additional schools.

Who would they take?

[East Coast Mustang]

I can see that as well ECM, but under that scenario, the SEC still needs 2 additional schools.

Who would they take?

Would they not stop at 16 after adding VT and NCSU?

[SoCal_Pony]

I am assuming B10 adds UNC, VA & GA Tech. If so, end-game would be 18, not 17.

SEC would not sit back and allow other conferences to pick ahead of them, namely the B12.

[East Coast Mustang]

I am assuming B10 adds UNC, VA & GA Tech. If so, end-game would be 18, not 17.

SEC would not sit back and allow other conferences to pick ahead of them, namely the B12.

I think SEC will stop at 16 after adding VT and NCSU and go to four 4-team pods with a two round championship. Mind blowing, yeah, but that's what I think it's going to. No use adding two schools in each state.

[EastStang]

The SEC doesn't need to add any more schools or mouths to feed unless it expands their TV footprint. Thus, VT and NCS/Duke add to that footprint. If they wanted to expand their footprint further, then they'd have to move into Kansas and Oklahoma. You want to add 17 and 18 to the SEC? That's who Missouri would push for. KU and OU. So, the SEC might just keep those slots open, start the rumors and let UT twists slowly in the wind.

[East Coast Mustang]

How are you going to do 18, though? Two 9-team divisions, and a ten game conference schedule with one permanent crossover? You almost wonder if they wouldn't just go to 20 with four 5-team pods rather than 18. But I think 16 is still the magic number here if you're the SEC. Is the Oklahoma market really worth splitting the pie two more ways? (OU won't go without OSU). You can do four 4-team pods where everyone plays each other in their pod, two permanent rivals outside their pod and then play one team in each pod for an 8-game conference schedule. They might even go back to an 11 game regular season schedule with a two-round conference championship:

East- VT, NC State, Florida, South Carolina
North- Tennessee, Georgia, Vandy, Kentucky
South- Alabama, Auburn, Miss St, Ole Miss
West- Arkansas, LSU, A&M, Missouri

East/North champs play each other in Nashville, Charlotte, or Atlanta on Thanksgiving weekend
South/West champs play each other in New Orleans or Dallas on Thanksgiving weekend

Winners play the following weekend in ATL for the SEC Championship

So this year you would've probably had these T'giving matchups: UGA/Florida and Bama/LSU rematches. TV ratings for this would be through the roof...

EDIT: I stole this idea from a year-old Clay Travis article http://outkickthecoverage.com/secs-futu ... f-four.php

[Charleston Pony]

I am assuming B10 adds UNC, VA & GA Tech. If so, end-game would be 18, not 17.

SEC would not sit back and allow other conferences to pick ahead of them, namely the B12.

I would agree that if UNC, UVA and GT all go Big 10 as a package, they will end with 18 and Notre Dame will really feel the pinch. If Notre Dame says no, Kansas is another AAU school and my guess is they are on the radar.

SEC is in that final 4 group competing for football championships and doesn't need to match the numbers of Big 10.

Only question is will UNC, UVA and GT be willing to kill the ACC

[SoCal_Pony]

I am assuming B10 adds UNC, VA & GA Tech. If so, end-game would be 18, not 17.

SEC would not sit back and allow other conferences to pick ahead of them, namely the B12.

I would agree that if UNC, UVA and GT all go Big 10 as a package, they will end with 18 and Notre Dame will really feel the pinch. If Notre Dame says no, Kansas is another AAU school and my guess is they are on the radar.

SEC is in that final 4 group competing for football championships and doesn't need to match the numbers of Big 10.

Only question is will UNC, UVA and GT be willing to kill the ACC

I type this as I'm trying to figure out the value of the NFL without a playoff system, simply post-season 'bowl games'. We do know that current NCAA BB tourney is $11B for 14 years.

I see end-game here of a year-end play-off system involving all the Big 4 conferences. If the B10 goes 18, can't imagine that other conferences don't get there eventually. IF that is the case (assumption on my part, I know) and you are the SEC and you know EVENTUALLY you have to add 4 schools, why not act now before other lesser conferences leap-frog you.

Alternative is to take NC St and VT Tech today, stay at 16, then a few years later when you need to get to 18, see all good choices off the table.