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[Cougar King]

Glad to see you haven't forgotten that beating.

And I'm glad you haven't forgotten the 95-21 beating.

Ha! When has UH EVER averaged 40K or more for a full season?

Quite a few years ago but we definitely would have had 40k+ in 2011 had we moved the games to Rice or Reliant.


That being said, when has SMU ever averaged 25k+ or even brought an honest 20k of pony fans to Ford for that matter? (In other words without inflating the attendance?)

[StallionsModelT]

Are you really proud of 95-21 against a bunch of walk-ons and true freshmen that had no business playing D1A football? I'm not sure I'd be pounding my chest out about that.

The attendance thing really is stupid. When you accept anyone with a pulse and have 40,000 students you probably should get a little attendance bump in that regard. SMU has 6,500 students and hasn't had the breakthrough success of a 10 win season or a Heisman contender like UH has had in the last few years.

SMU's attendance issues are real and I get that, but for a school of its size and the history of sucking over the last 25 years prior to JJ, I think we are making progress. Its slow progress but we are getting there. SMU needs a few quality wins over opponents our fans care about and 10 win season along with a really fun team to watch. So far we've had none of those.

[Cougar King]

Are you really proud of 95-21 against a bunch of walk-ons and true freshmen that had no business playing D1A football? I'm not sure I'd be pounding my chest out about that.

The attendance thing really is stupid. When you accept anyone with a pulse and have 40,000 students you probably should get a little attendance bump in that regard. SMU has 6,500 students and hasn't had the breakthrough success of a 10 win season or a Heisman contender like UH has had in the last few years.

SMU's attendance issues are real and I get that, but for a school of its size and the history of sucking over the last 25 years prior to JJ, I think we are making progress. Its slow progress but we are getting there. SMU needs a few quality wins over opponents our fans care about and 10 win season along with a really fun team to watch. So far we've had none of those.

If we had TCU, A&M, Baylor, and Tech on our schedule back to back to back. We would bring the house with 40-50k of Coog fans alone. Those games alone should also appeal the city of Dallas to come out and buy a few tickets, I don't get why it doesn't other than SMU not embracing the average Dallas citizen and viceversa.

[StallionsModelT]

TCU games in recent years have been sellouts.
A&M game was a sellout.
Tech games in recent years have been sellouts.
Baylor game this year would have been a sellout but our athletic department was scared.


When we play teams that SMU fans and Dallas sports fans care about, we draw well.

[PonyKai]

Armed Forces Bowl was beyond capacity; certainly a heavy SMU presence at that despite that on-field turd...

[StallionsModelT]

Good grief don't remind me of that game. The Run and Shoot offense rendered useless against a service academy. VOMIT.

[CA Mustang]

Glad to see you haven't forgotten that beating.

And I'm glad you haven't forgotten the 95-21 beating.

Were you even alive then? If not, how can you talk smack about a game played before you were born?

Ha! When has UH EVER averaged 40K or more for a full season?

Quite a few years ago but we definitely would have had 40k+ in 2011 had we moved the games to Rice or Reliant.

Woulda, coulda, shoulda... So take your best regular season in decades and move all the home games (in advance) and MAYBE you hit the target? Now that's wishful thinking.

Not sure why you have such hate for BBVA Compass Stadium. If UH drops one or two of their first four games, it will be large enough for those three opponents. As for the games at Reliant, well...

[Cougar King]

Not sure why you have such hate for BBVA Compass Stadium. If UH drops one or two of their first four games, it will be large enough for those three opponents. As for the games at Reliant, well...

We started off 0-3, including a bad loss to Texas State in front of a sold-out crowd at The Rob and still had 32k in Reliant for Rice and averaged 27k despite a losing season as opposed to SMU going to another bowl game and still having nobody show up. Switch our records around and we would have sold out all season like we did with a 5-7 record in 2010.

NO Coog fan wants to play at BBVA because it is too small. It may be the right size for SMU, UNT and Rice to name a few but that's way too small for UH. Hence why our new stadium is somewhere between 40-45k starting off.

TCU games in recent years have been sellouts.
A&M game was a sellout.
Tech games in recent years have been sellouts.
Baylor game this year would have been a sellout but our athletic department was scared.


When we play teams that SMU fans and Dallas sports fans care about, we draw well.

The only reasons those games were sellouts were because of the other team's fans. As seen here when Texas Tech treated Ford like a home game. That crap didn't fly at The Rob nor did they outnumber us when we embarrassed and ran them out of Houston on National TV. .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heiKR6FMgyw

[StallionsModelT]

TCU game in Ford was 75% SMU fans. But nice try.

[gostangs]

Cougardude - I know counting can be a bit of a challenge for someone from a school not even ranked in the top 200 in the country, but your attendence issues are waaaay more embarrassing than ours - your undergraduate enrollment is 6 times our enrollment!

Your attempts to hold Houston High out as some sort of "better than the others" member of this conference are laughable.

[ponyboy]

TCU game in Ford was 75% SMU fans. But nice try.

Why does everyone always conveniently forget that? Those cheering for SMU show up when we play real teams.

[Cougar King]

Cougardude - I know counting can be a bit of a challenge for someone from a school not even ranked in the top 200 in the country, but your attendence issues are waaaay more embarrassing than ours - your undergraduate enrollment is 6 times our enrollment!

Your attempts to hold Houston High out as some sort of "better than the others" member of this conference are laughable.

That's funny, I recall us selling out our stadium in 2009, 2010, 2011 and the beginning of 2012 and never dipping under 85% capacity despite losing to Texas State, going 5-7 AND giving up 72 points. Why do we still get recruits to turn down B1G and ACC offers to come play for UH? How come our rookie head coach can outrecruit a veteran like JJ? Why do people prefer to play and cheer for UH as opposed to some snobby rich kid school like Smoo?

I don't see any of our players making articles in the school newspaper bashing students and fans for lack of attendance. If we weren't held in a higher regard than you, then why were we approved for the Big 12 before UT stepped in? If our attendance issues were more embarrassing or embarrassing at all for that matter, why are we building a much bigger stadium for our fanbase that grows year after year? Why are we in Group A of the contract with UCONN, Cincy and Temple? Why is your administration clinging onto us for dear life in fear of being left behind?



It's like a lot of you around here don't think before you post. I would think uppity bastards like you guys were smarter than that.


And it's attendance not attendence. One would think Smoo would teach you how to spell.

[StallionsModelT]

"Uppity bastards"

Yet you spend quite a bit of time on our board. I can say with 100% confidence I haven't nor will I ever visit the UH message board.

Generally I think you make some very solid points, but you also look like you're constantly angling for an internet slapfight. What's the point? UH has 6x the number of students as SMU and has had the following in recent years:

1. Heisman candidate
2. High profile wins
3. Quality style of play

I admire the success the Coog's have had over the last decade or so. Its admirable and if things bounce back next year for them there is no reason to think they won't be a mainstay at the top of the American. But lets not act like we are comparing apples to apples here with SMU and UH attendance. There are a variety of reasons for SMU's lack of attendance which have been discussed more times than I can count on this message board. I still maintain that if we had a breakthrough season and a fun team to watch that the casual sports fan in Dallas would come out to Ford to watch an SMU game. We haven't done that. Watching us go .500 against CUSA teams and getting our doors blown off by the teams that people around here care about won't get a lot of interest buzzing around the program.

SMU has a long way to go towards fixing its attendance woes. We are a small school in a pro sports city that has alums from UT, OU, Tech, A&M, and OK State literally flooding our streets. We can do better, but we have a lot working against us as well. The next coach will need to play a fun and exciting brand of football (not the R&S) and win some marquee games. If we do that I have total confidence that SMU can average 30K attendance in the American combined with our 1-2 former SWC regional opponents.

[ponyboy]

One small quibble. The run and shoot is the definition of an exciting brand of football. We just haven't been shooting as we should and we've had some real football break out as a consequence.

[StallionsModelT]

ponyboy,

I'll concede that. In theory, the R&S should be an exciting, high scoring offense. The SMU R&S has been very inconsistent and at times maddening to watch. If we had the Hawaii R&S then yes that qualifies.