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LA_Mustang wrote:

East Coast Mustang wrote:TCU and Baylor would be the fifth and sixth best teams in the SEC West this season

MSU
Alabama
LSU
Ole Miss

Such BS. Call Paul Finebaum with that garbage. Why doesn't the SEC just have their own champion and let the rest of the spares of college football play for a division 2 championship?

Yeah, I left Auburn off that list (barely) and they beat KSU in Manhattan. Go back and look at who's recruited the best talent in recent years, who's fared the best in bowl games, OOC games, etc. The SEC is on another level and it's not even close. You're kidding yourself if you think otherwise

Something nobody in this thread has considered: TCU's sole loss was by a last-second FG to the #7 team on the road. Baylor's sole loss was by two TD's to an unranked team. Think that might carry just a little weight in these rankings?

If head-to-head was the overriding factor some of your think it is, then West Virginia should be ranked ahead of Baylor.

People talk about someone outside of a conference champion getting an invite to the Football Final Four, but that talk usually centered around a conference champion PLUS an additional team from their conference. But here's an interesting scenario:

A team wins a Power 5 conference championship but gets jumped by a team WITHIN their own conference, one they beat in a head to head match-up. Huh.


Deep Purple: Spare me. WV has three loses. From where I stand, their win over Baylor was the fluke win over a better highly-ranked team. I'm not knocking TCU, but until Baylor loses again, the Bears deserve the higher ranking and ultimately the spot in the Final Four, assuming the Big XII gets one.

TCU deserves to go ahead of Baylor. More quality wins and a 'better' loss.

PSCA wrote:God I love the NCAA B-Ball tournament!!

Do you? We were excluded from that last year not based on merit but on politics. Just like this system. If I"m Baylor I am beyond livid, currently number 4 Sagarin ahead of TCU at 5.

Deep Purple wrote:Something nobody in this thread has considered: TCU's sole loss was by a last-second FG to the #7 team on the road. Baylor's sole loss was by two TD's to an unranked team. Think that might carry just a little weight in these rankings?

If head-to-head was the overriding factor some of your think it is, then West Virginia should be ranked ahead of Baylor.

So if by some quirk, Baylor and TCU were to meet for the National Championship, and Baylor won, then TCU is the Champion. Now I understand.

ponyboy wrote:

PSCA wrote:God I love the NCAA B-Ball tournament!!

Do you? We were excluded from that last year not based on merit but on politics. Just like this system. If I"m Baylor I am beyond livid, currently number 4 Sagarin ahead of TCU at 5.

What politics? We played the softest non-conf schedule of the at large candidates, the AAC doesn't get a ton of respect (yet), and we were 0-3 going into Selection Sunday (including a loss to Houston). When you're moving up in the world your margin for error is less. HCLB raised his hand for scheduling so much non-conf road kill. Perception matters and there was enough merit to exclude us.

CoxMustangFan wrote:

ponyboy wrote:

PSCA wrote:God I love the NCAA B-Ball tournament!!

Do you? We were excluded from that last year not based on merit but on politics. Just like this system. If I"m Baylor I am beyond livid, currently number 4 Sagarin ahead of TCU at 5.

What politics? We played the softest non-conf schedule of the at large candidates, the AAC doesn't get a ton of respect (yet), and we were 0-3 going into Selection Sunday (including a loss to Houston). When you're moving up in the world your margin for error is less. HCLB raised his hand for scheduling so much non-conf road kill. Perception matters and there was enough merit to exclude us.

Those three NIT home games were great last year. We have the non-conference schedule in place this year and now it is on LB and the team to deliver some wins against better opponents.....with or without MK.


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Fun fact: we are 187 in Sagarin...few spots below Abilene Christian

Fun fact 2: There are 128 FBS teams.
Fun fact 3: There are 124 FCS teams. 252-187 = 65. So best case we are a #65 FCS team!

fifty wrote:Fun fact 2: There are 128 FBS teams.
Fun fact 3: There are 124 FCS teams. 252-187 = 65. So best case we are a #65 FCS team!

So you're saying we would still be, at best, mediocre in the FCS this year?

We are far worse off than even any present-day heavily sanctioned fbs team...including back-to-the future versions of ourself.

I think right now TCU should be ranked higher. There is something to be said for playing outstanding Football every week and Baylor deserves criticism for their schedule. Baylor laid a non-championship worthy turd in West Virginia a team ranked lower than Minnesota. TCU has played lights out each and every week. But if Baylor wins out impressively then they might have a better argument for jumping TCU. We aren't talking about the Championship of the Big 12-we are talking about a national championship worthy team

TCU was handed the WV game with 5 turnovers in WV territory, and escaped with a last second fg. Neither team has play a good non conference schedule and they are in the same conference. Baylor gets my vote for winning head to head.

I really do not care right now because things will most likely sort themselves out. But if they both win out I do not see how you put TCU on top.

if the roles were reversed they would be spitting nails in Ft Worth. It is very hard to rationalize when there is a recent head to head win by Baylor. Its not like Baylor has an extra loss, or is 10 spots down the list.

No dog in the fight - but don't see how you can come up with TCU ahead in this case. This is precisely why the play off will be expanded to at least 8 teams within a year. At least one team from each P-5 will be needed to keep the bellyaching down - plus it will be almost impossible to be a top 4 and not be a P-5 team - so they are opening themselves up for a suit unless they expand this.