MustangStealth wrote:Nebraska under Pellini finished 1st in the division 4 times (including ties). OSU has not finished better than 3rd since they went to divisions in the PAC12. This is just so strange.
Trying to compare results at Nebraska vs. OSU is like comparing apples to nails. Look at the immense difference in attendance, budgets, history/tradition, resources, etc. and you'll see why trying to compare results at the two is folly.
leopold wrote: Oregon State is the Iowa State of the Pac 12
Gene Chizik went from Iowa State and got fired shortly after Malzahn left. I don't know how many times OSU finished in the top 25 to say they they were consistently there.
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MustangStealth wrote:Nebraska under Pellini finished 1st in the division 4 times (including ties). OSU has not finished better than 3rd since they went to divisions in the PAC12. This is just so strange.
Trying to compare results at Nebraska vs. OSU is like comparing apples to nails. Look at the immense difference in attendance, budgets, history/tradition, resources, etc. and you'll see why trying to compare results at the two is folly.
Not sure what your point is. Schedule strengths are comparable over the last 7 years, so it's not like OSU played significantly tougher opponents than Nebraska.
Here are average Sagarin rankings matched to revenue rankings. Both basically fall in line. Not underperforming or overperforming.
Nebraska Sagarin avg = 25 Revenue rank = 26
OSU Sagarin avg = 40.3 Revenue rank = 45
Again, I just don't see how they expect this to be an upgrade.
The point is that Nebraska and OSU operate on COMPLETELY different planes in CFB. A good season at OSU is a below average one at Nebraska. Nebraska is the king of its state while OSU is distant #2 to Oregon. The fact he wasn't winning Pac-12 titles isn't a reflection on his coaching abilities, but rather an indication of the disadvantages (lack of tradition, recruiting base, resources, etc.) OSU faces in the Pac-12.
MustangStealth wrote:Again, I just don't see how they expect this to be an upgrade.
The AD thinks it is an upgrade because he's getting the anti-Pelini (experienced, mature & personable).
MustangStealth wrote:Nebraska under Pellini finished 1st in the division 4 times (including ties). OSU has not finished better than 3rd since they went to divisions in the PAC12. This is just so strange.
Trying to compare results at Nebraska vs. OSU is like comparing apples to nails. Look at the immense difference in attendance, budgets, history/tradition, resources, etc. and you'll see why trying to compare results at the two is folly.
Not sure what your point is. Schedule strengths are comparable over the last 7 years, so it's not like OSU played significantly tougher opponents than Nebraska.
Here are average Sagarin rankings matched to revenue rankings. Both basically fall in line. Not underperforming or overperforming.
Nebraska Sagarin avg = 25 Revenue rank = 26
OSU Sagarin avg = 40.3 Revenue rank = 45
Again, I just don't see how they expect this to be an upgrade.
If you think that going undefeated at Mississippi State is the same difficulty as going undefeated at Alabama then you really don't follow college football. Nick Saban at Mississippi state would upgrade that program tremendously, but I highly doubt he would have the same level of recruiting he has at Alabama.
CA Mustang wrote: (experienced, mature & personable).
Will that win titles? Bill Callahan fits that description imo. I think Cincinnati used to beat up on OSU when Riley was there. We'll see how well he recruits and if his record is better than Pelini's over that same period of time. If not that AD is on the hotseat.
Rebel10 wrote:Bill Callahan fits that description imo.
Not hardly. I've yet to hear anyone speak of Callahan the way they describe Riley.
Rebel10 wrote:I think Cincinnati used to beat up on OSU when Riley was there.
What do two random games in 2007 and 2009 have to do with 2015 & beyond?
Rebel10 wrote:We'll see how well he recruits and if his record is better than Pelini's over that same period of time. If not that AD is on the hotseat.
Unlike Pelini, Riley has extensive recruiting connections in CA and TX (I think he has a 2nd home in the Hill Country). If Nebraska is going to win, they need to re-establish a presence in CA & TX.
But like any coach, it all comes down to results. If Nebraska slides to 6-6, they'll be making a change in three years.
Rebel10 wrote:That AD will probably be fired if Riley is not what is expected. If he would have hired a more acceptable candidate he would have had some extra rope if he had not performed.
I was about to say the same thing but I'm not sure they will wait to find out. Who is their AD-I say the AD doesn't last more than 1 1/2 years. This is as bad as the Bill Callahan hire. This hire gets a D
"With a quarter of a tank of gas, we can get everything we need right here in DFW." -SMU Head Coach Chad Morris
When momentum starts rolling downhill in recruiting-WATCH OUT.
well, since Big 10 teams can't seem to beat PAC-12 teams, maybe Nebraska figured they would try a PAC-12 guy to see if they can unlock that secret. Bo rubbed a lot of people the wrong way or he would still be at Nebraska
1. Nebraska's hiring of Mike Riley away from Oregon State -- and his hometown of Corvallis -- hit college football like a thunderclap on Thursday. The only other recent hire of comparative shock would be Arkansas stealing Bret Bielema from Wisconsin, but it doesn't compare. The thinking had been that if Nebraska went to the state of Oregon to get an offensive-minded coach, it would focus on Ducks offensive coordinator Scott Frost, a Nebraska native who led the Huskers to the 1997 national championship. But Riley is a quarterback guru who knows how to build a program. He is well-liked and well-respected as one of the game's gentlemen. He's quite the coup for Lincoln. http://espn.go.com/ncf/notebook/_/page/ ... int-stance
CA Mustang wrote:1. Nebraska's hiring of Mike Riley away from Oregon State -- and his hometown of Corvallis -- hit college football like a thunderclap on Thursday. The only other recent hire of comparative shock would be Arkansas stealing Bret Bielema from Wisconsin, but it doesn't compare. The thinking had been that if Nebraska went to the state of Oregon to get an offensive-minded coach, it would focus on Ducks offensive coordinator Scott Frost, a Nebraska native who led the Huskers to the 1997 national championship. But Riley is a quarterback guru who knows how to build a program. He is well-liked and well-respected as one of the game's gentlemen. He's quite the coup for Lincoln. http://espn.go.com/ncf/notebook/_/page/ ... int-stance
By all accounts he is well-liked and well-respected. No disputing that. But that's not going to keep a job at Nebraska.
CA Mustang wrote:1. Nebraska's hiring of Mike Riley away from Oregon State -- and his hometown of Corvallis -- hit college football like a thunderclap on Thursday. The only other recent hire of comparative shock would be Arkansas stealing Bret Bielema from Wisconsin, but it doesn't compare. The thinking had been that if Nebraska went to the state of Oregon to get an offensive-minded coach, it would focus on Ducks offensive coordinator Scott Frost, a Nebraska native who led the Huskers to the 1997 national championship. But Riley is a quarterback guru who knows how to build a program. He is well-liked and well-respected as one of the game's gentlemen. He's quite the coup for Lincoln. http://espn.go.com/ncf/notebook/_/page/ ... int-stance
By all accounts he is well-liked and well-respected. No disputing that. But that's not going to keep a job at Nebraska.
True, it is ultimately about wins and losses. However if you are a [deleted], the rope is much shorter.
