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Digetydog wrote:

leopold wrote:Whatever. Keep telling yourselves how worthless this is.

Look, I get it. There is probably only so much you can get from Hamlet. Shakespeare can get old fast.

But on the other hand, it's beyond frustrating to try to have a discussion with people about any major issue of the day, from war and the military to gay rights, to Title IX's impact on athletics, to questions on Religion - any number of topics that even end up on THIS board - and find that person spouting off some opinion they think is brilliant that has already run it's course and been run into the ground, only they don't bother to actually study it so they just shoot their mouth off and sound like a [deleted].

I see Tea Partiers who wouldn't dare condescend to read Emma Goldman, religious who don't read Hitchens, people who misquote and misinterpret history CONSTANTLY but wouldn't dare actually study it in a true academic sense, and then wonder why things are the way they are. Anybody have a daughter? Read Simone de Beauvoir. Anybody got a son? Read Norah Vincent.

Our ideas on freedom and equality might be simple in nature but they get more than complex VERY fast when applied to real life, and it took humanity thousands of years to get to that point just to write a Constitution proclaiming it and working out basic details, not to mention the progress that had to be made ever since. God forbid your kid has a high school history or English teacher that actually has tried to make a study of it at the source so that when your kid, and the money your spending on their education, has a serious question they can give them an informed, intelligent answer and not a damned sound-bite. Kierkegaard, Faulkner, Conrad, Nehbur, Orwell, Dostoevsky - these people actually matter, and they actually contributed to your lives.

I'm sorry, but you can't put an SMU degrees on your wall and tell try to tell everyone how great the school is, compare it to Ivy League institutions and other world-renowned places of learning, and then wonder why the school goes and tries to build on the fundamentals of what it means to be a great Liberal Arts University - which is the backbone of what that school is and strives to be.

Actually, my SMU diploma is on the wall of my son's bedroom next to my Yale diploma. With degrees from both schools, I feel comfortable comparing SMU to Yale.
Great Universities like Yale offer Phd programs in Liberal Arts. Great Universities don't offer a Phd based upon one's completion of "Survey of...."

smusic 00 wrote:

Digetydog wrote:

leopold wrote:Whatever. Keep telling yourselves how worthless this is.

Look, I get it. There is probably only so much you can get from Hamlet. Shakespeare can get old fast.

But on the other hand, it's beyond frustrating to try to have a discussion with people about any major issue of the day, from war and the military to gay rights, to Title IX's impact on athletics, to questions on Religion - any number of topics that even end up on THIS board - and find that person spouting off some opinion they think is brilliant that has already run it's course and been run into the ground, only they don't bother to actually study it so they just shoot their mouth off and sound like a [deleted].

I see Tea Partiers who wouldn't dare condescend to read Emma Goldman, religious who don't read Hitchens, people who misquote and misinterpret history CONSTANTLY but wouldn't dare actually study it in a true academic sense, and then wonder why things are the way they are. Anybody have a daughter? Read Simone de Beauvoir. Anybody got a son? Read Norah Vincent.

Our ideas on freedom and equality might be simple in nature but they get more than complex VERY fast when applied to real life, and it took humanity thousands of years to get to that point just to write a Constitution proclaiming it and working out basic details, not to mention the progress that had to be made ever since. God forbid your kid has a high school history or English teacher that actually has tried to make a study of it at the source so that when your kid, and the money your spending on their education, has a serious question they can give them an informed, intelligent answer and not a damned sound-bite. Kierkegaard, Faulkner, Conrad, Nehbur, Orwell, Dostoevsky - these people actually matter, and they actually contributed to your lives.

I'm sorry, but you can't put an SMU degrees on your wall and tell try to tell everyone how great the school is, compare it to Ivy League institutions and other world-renowned places of learning, and then wonder why the school goes and tries to build on the fundamentals of what it means to be a great Liberal Arts University - which is the backbone of what that school is and strives to be.

Actually, my SMU diploma is on the wall of my son's bedroom next to my Yale diploma. With degrees from both schools, I feel comfortable comparing SMU to Yale.
Great Universities like Yale offer Phd programs in Liberal Arts. Great Universities don't offer a Phd based upon one's completion of "Survey of...."

Did you read the full requirements or just the titles of the survey courses?

Grant Carter wrote:Generally well said but you might want to throw in some examples of people along other points of the political spectrum having similar issues to go along with your examples of tea partiers and religious people. I think that as written your post is largely going to bring out people arguing about that aspect rather than the overall point of the post which was good.

Digetydog wrote:

leopold wrote:Whatever. Keep telling yourselves how worthless this is.

Look, I get it. There is probably only so much you can get from Hamlet. Shakespeare can get old fast.

But on the other hand, it's beyond frustrating to try to have a discussion with people about any major issue of the day, from war and the military to gay rights, to Title IX's impact on athletics, to questions on Religion - any number of topics that even end up on THIS board - and find that person spouting off some opinion they think is brilliant that has already run it's course and been run into the ground, only they don't bother to actually study it so they just shoot their mouth off and sound like a [deleted].

I see Tea Partiers who wouldn't dare condescend to read Emma Goldman, religious who don't read Hitchens, people who misquote and misinterpret history CONSTANTLY but wouldn't dare actually study it in a true academic sense, and then wonder why things are the way they are. Anybody have a daughter? Read Simone de Beauvoir. Anybody got a son? Read Norah Vincent.

Our ideas on freedom and equality might be simple in nature but they get more than complex VERY fast when applied to real life, and it took humanity thousands of years to get to that point just to write a Constitution proclaiming it and working out basic details, not to mention the progress that had to be made ever since. God forbid your kid has a high school history or English teacher that actually has tried to make a study of it at the source so that when your kid, and the money your spending on their education, has a serious question they can give them an informed, intelligent answer and not a damned sound-bite. Kierkegaard, Faulkner, Conrad, Nehbur, Orwell, Dostoevsky - these people actually matter, and they actually contributed to your lives.

I'm sorry, but you can't put an SMU degrees on your wall and tell try to tell everyone how great the school is, compare it to Ivy League institutions and other world-renowned places of learning, and then wonder why the school goes and tries to build on the fundamentals of what it means to be a great Liberal Arts University - which is the backbone of what that school is and strives to be.

Actually, my SMU diploma is on the wall of my son's bedroom next to my Yale diploma. With degrees from both schools, I feel comfortable comparing SMU to Yale.
Great Universities like Yale offer Phd programs in Liberal Arts. Great Universities don't offer a Phd based upon one's completion of "Survey of...."

leopold wrote:

Digetydog wrote:

leopold wrote:Whatever. Keep telling yourselves how worthless this is.

Look, I get it. There is probably only so much you can get from Hamlet. Shakespeare can get old fast.

But on the other hand, it's beyond frustrating to try to have a discussion with people about any major issue of the day, from war and the military to gay rights, to Title IX's impact on athletics, to questions on Religion - any number of topics that even end up on THIS board - and find that person spouting off some opinion they think is brilliant that has already run it's course and been run into the ground, only they don't bother to actually study it so they just shoot their mouth off and sound like a [deleted].

I see Tea Partiers who wouldn't dare condescend to read Emma Goldman, religious who don't read Hitchens, people who misquote and misinterpret history CONSTANTLY but wouldn't dare actually study it in a true academic sense, and then wonder why things are the way they are. Anybody have a daughter? Read Simone de Beauvoir. Anybody got a son? Read Norah Vincent.

Our ideas on freedom and equality might be simple in nature but they get more than complex VERY fast when applied to real life, and it took humanity thousands of years to get to that point just to write a Constitution proclaiming it and working out basic details, not to mention the progress that had to be made ever since. God forbid your kid has a high school history or English teacher that actually has tried to make a study of it at the source so that when your kid, and the money your spending on their education, has a serious question they can give them an informed, intelligent answer and not a damned sound-bite. Kierkegaard, Faulkner, Conrad, Nehbur, Orwell, Dostoevsky - these people actually matter, and they actually contributed to your lives.

I'm sorry, but you can't put an SMU degrees on your wall and tell try to tell everyone how great the school is, compare it to Ivy League institutions and other world-renowned places of learning, and then wonder why the school goes and tries to build on the fundamentals of what it means to be a great Liberal Arts University - which is the backbone of what that school is and strives to be.

Actually, my SMU diploma is on the wall of my son's bedroom next to my Yale diploma. With degrees from both schools, I feel comfortable comparing SMU to Yale.
Great Universities like Yale offer Phd programs in Liberal Arts. Great Universities don't offer a Phd based upon one's completion of "Survey of...."

Then you have an issue with the structure, focus, or concentration of the program. That seems reasonable to me.

But to call this a program a 'How To Be A Barista' is just stupid and you know that.

Digetydog wrote:In an age where so many students are burdened with so much student debt, I am skeptical of any programs that might take advantage of the fact that students can borrow more money than they can pay back.

leopold wrote:Whatever. Keep telling yourselves how worthless this is.

Look, I get it. There is probably only so much you can get from Hamlet. Shakespeare can get old fast.

But on the other hand, it's beyond frustrating to try to have a discussion with people about any major issue of the day, from war and the military to gay rights, to Title IX's impact on athletics, to questions on Religion - any number of topics that even end up on THIS board - and find that person spouting off some opinion they think is brilliant that has already run it's course and been run into the ground, only they don't bother to actually study it so they just shoot their mouth off and sound like a [deleted].

I see Tea Partiers who wouldn't dare condescend to read Emma Goldman, religious who don't read Hitchens, people who misquote and misinterpret history CONSTANTLY but wouldn't dare actually study it in a true academic sense, and then wonder why things are the way they are. Anybody have a daughter? Read Simone de Beauvoir. Anybody got a son? Read Norah Vincent.

Our ideas on freedom and equality might be simple in nature but they get more than complex VERY fast when applied to real life, and it took humanity thousands of years to get to that point just to write a Constitution proclaiming it and working out basic details, not to mention the progress that had to be made ever since. God forbid your kid has a high school history or English teacher that actually has tried to make a study of it at the source so that when your kid, and the money your spending on their education, has a serious question they can give them an informed, intelligent answer and not a damned sound-bite. Kierkegaard, Faulkner, Conrad, Nehbur, Orwell, Dostoevsky - these people actually matter, and they actually contributed to your lives.

I'm sorry, but you can't put an SMU degrees on your wall and tell try to tell everyone how great the school is, compare it to Ivy League institutions and other world-renowned places of learning, and then wonder why the school goes and tries to build on the fundamentals of what it means to be a great Liberal Arts University - which is the backbone of what that school is and strives to be.

Stallion wrote:If US News and World Report read this thread and considered it as a fair characterization of an SMU Education then we'd be lucky to finish in the Top 100. We get it-you business guys think you are well educated. You are well trained. There's a big difference which you are demonstrating in this thread.