Bush Library/Lawsuit

NavyCrimson · Post by **NavyCrimson** » Fri Dec 01, 2006 3:36 pm

The 60's generation is surely in charge now

Horse Hockey · Post by **Horse Hockey** » Fri Dec 01, 2006 5:30 pm

NavyCrimson wrote:The 60's generation is surely in charge now :roll:

Oh YEAH -- Jerry LeVias and Inez Perez filled the stands. Remember the death threats?

CULTURAL note: a recent article in DMN reported the first and ONLY black property owner in HP was being accepted "just fine." SEE, with two Sixties Presidents there has been real progress!

I hope that if President Bush's Library comes the SMU, with a think tank on par with the Hoover Institute, luminaries like Colin Powell and Condoleeza Rice will feel welcome. Perhaps the Library plan ought to include some housing for visiting scholars, just in case.

jtstang · Post by **jtstang** » Fri Dec 01, 2006 5:44 pm

It's a damn shame that we still live in a segregated society, even if there is a "by choice" element to it.

NavyCrimson · Post by **NavyCrimson** » Fri Dec 01, 2006 6:04 pm

Well - it's segregation by choice.

Get used to it - it's human nature.

Let's get on to something else now.

Horse Hockey · Post by **Horse Hockey** » Fri Dec 01, 2006 6:05 pm

EastStang wrote:Normally, you don't want to act like a baby when you make an argument to the Court.

Yeah, I agree. I was really surprised SMU took that approach. It looked especially bad to be name-calling because neither Tafel's attorney nor Vodicka rose to the bait.

Also, Tafel's attorney detailed the summary judgment evidence in a way that may have made SMU look like it was the opportunist using its deep pocket and intimidation to go from not owning any units prior to 1999 to a controlling position that enabled it to bring about the sale of all owners' interests without their consent in 2005. Needless to say, Tafel stressed that there were elderly residents who could no longer afford to live in the area on what they received for their units from SMU who had testified that they had sold based on the belief that SMU gave them little choice.

I did not envy SMU's attorney. Since this was a summary judgment, he could not argue that it did not happen that way because it would have looked like he was admitting that there were fact issues. He basically had to argue, and did argue, that SMU could do whatever it wanted with the property, including compelling the sale of all units, because it had purchased a controlling interest.

jtstang · Post by **jtstang** » Fri Dec 01, 2006 6:33 pm

I thought Tafel was pro se? Being there for a summary judgment hearing, you sound like a person with some stake in the outcome perhaps?

jtstang · Post by **jtstang** » Fri Dec 01, 2006 6:34 pm

NavyCrimson wrote:Well - it's segregation by choice.

Yep, that's what I said. Thanks for confirming it. It's still a damn shame.

Horse Hockey · Post by **Horse Hockey** » Fri Dec 01, 2006 7:45 pm

jtstang wrote:I thought Tafel was pro se?

No, it is Vodicka who is pro se. Tafel is represented by Larry Friedman's firm, Friedman & Feiger LLP. Jim Krouse of that firm is actually handling the case for Dr. Tafel.

jtstang · Post by **jtstang** » Fri Dec 01, 2006 7:50 pm

Horse Hockey wrote:
jtstang wrote:I thought Tafel was pro se?
No, it is Vodicka who is pro se. Tafel is represented by Larry Friedman's firm, Friedman & Feiger LLP. Jim Krouse of that firm is actually handling the case for Dr. Tafel.

I don't really think of lawyers as pro se as much as they represent a fool of a client. I must be thinking of one of the other gratuitous assignees of Vodicka, as now you jogged my memory of Friedman's involvement for Tafel. It was one of those delay tactic bankruptcy filers. Vodicka did all his pleadings for him, so I hear. Pro bono, too, he's generous to a fault that way.

What about my other question? No oaths here.

Horse Hockey · Post by **Horse Hockey** » Fri Dec 01, 2006 8:14 pm

jtstang wrote: Being there for a summary judgment hearing, you sound like a person with some stake in the outcome perhaps?

Personally, I hope SMU gets the Bush Library. Although, I'll miss the Starbucks and Le Madeline's. What about you?

Being at the hearing, I got to hear the case, not the hype. It was worth the price of admission.

jtstang · Post by **jtstang** » Fri Dec 01, 2006 8:49 pm

Horse Hockey wrote:
jtstang wrote: Being there for a summary judgment hearing, you sound like a person with some stake in the outcome perhaps?
Personally, I hope SMU gets the Bush Library.

Well you may hope they do but it doesn't sound like you are very hopeful that they will given the evidentiary recitation you give here. Which strikes me as having a bit of a pro-Vodicka, et al. tone, I must say. Just my observation.

I'm not a big fan of Dubya and I don't really care about the library, but what Vodicka is doing appears to be extortion and a borderline abuse of the system and that has come to bother me. (Although some of his tactics have been rather clever.)

FloridaMustang · Post by **FloridaMustang** » Fri Dec 01, 2006 9:26 pm

jtstang wrote:
Horse Hockey wrote:
jtstang wrote: Being there for a summary judgment hearing, you sound like a person with some stake in the outcome perhaps?
Personally, I hope SMU gets the Bush Library.
Well you may hope they do but it doesn't sound like you are very hopeful that they will given the evidentiary recitation you give here. Which strikes me as having a bit of a pro-Vodicka, et al. tone, I must say. Just my observation.

I'm not a big fan of Dubya and I don't really care about the library, but what Vodicka is doing appears to be extortion and a borderline abuse of the system and that has come to bother me. (Although some of his tactics have been rather clever.)

Vodicka is a jerk, but I'm also not a fan of Dubya and I will not shed a tear if SMU ends up forever NOT connected to his legacy.

SMU Football Blog · Post by **SMU Football Blog** » Fri Dec 01, 2006 11:36 pm

Horse Hockey, if a firm I worked for knew I was pluggin' away on a message board talking about a case I was involved in, I don't think I would last long.

Does Ernest plan on another political run someday? Ehrhardt kicked his [deleted] by 20 points.

OC Mustang · Post by **OC Mustang** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 8:16 pm

Bump...anybody got anything else on current goings on?
It is ridiculous that this guy has any traction whatsoever.

abezontar · Post by **abezontar** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 8:34 pm

Horse Hockey wrote:
NavyCrimson wrote:The 60's generation is surely in charge now
Oh YEAH -- Jerry LeVias and Inez Perez filled the stands. Remember the death threats?

CULTURAL note: a recent article in DMN reported the first and ONLY black property owner in HP was being accepted "just fine." SEE, with two Sixties Presidents there has been real progress!

I hope that if President Bush's Library comes the SMU, with a think tank on par with the Hoover Institute, luminaries like Colin Powell and Condoleeza Rice will feel welcome. Perhaps the Library plan ought to include some housing for visiting scholars, just in case.

and to think I was raked over the coals for daring to suggest that there were few if any minorities living in Highland Park just last year...