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perunapower wrote:

Stlhockeyguy02 wrote:

jtstang wrote: And you have the right to be an extremist right-wing evangelical warmonger. I'll bet you think the dinosaurs were here 2,000 years ago, don't you?

There is still room for some people to want the library, be happy with the library, and think that a lot of the criticism is un-founded politically motivated babble and still be a reasonable individual. Just because someones genuinely happy with everything Bush that is coming to SMU doesn't make them Jerry Falwell.

I agree that most of the criticism is politically motived babble, it really has become sickening.

Wanted to post again before this thread gets deleted.
Do we lose posts when that happens???

One man's politically motivated babble is another man's freedom of speach. In fact, I don't recall a single politician coming out against the Bush Library. Just common everyday folks expressing their opinion. Deal with it.

OC Mustang wrote:

perunapower wrote:

Stlhockeyguy02 wrote: There is still room for some people to want the library, be happy with the library, and think that a lot of the criticism is un-founded politically motivated babble and still be a reasonable individual. Just because someones genuinely happy with everything Bush that is coming to SMU doesn't make them Jerry Falwell.

I agree that most of the criticism is politically motived babble, it really has become sickening.

Wanted to post again before this thread gets deleted.
Do we lose posts when that happens???

Yes and you get a black horseshoe

smupony94 wrote:

OC Mustang wrote:

perunapower wrote: I agree that most of the criticism is politically motived babble, it really has become sickening.

Wanted to post again before this thread gets deleted.
Do we lose posts when that happens???

Yes and you get a black horseshoe

Oh goodie. Just fantastic.

Look, I think the library will be a great addition to campus too, I just hate the "elitist liberal" attack brought to bear against anybody who dares question Bush's legacy. That is precisely the reason that this bs "policy center" to be run by Bush cronies has made the library so controversial.

There are plenty of moderate thinkers out there who think that Dubya has performed in a less than stellar, self serving manner when it comes to foreign policy, including obviously Iraq.

There are even conservatives who believe he will not get a slot added to Mt. Rushmore and there are plenty of folks around to take pot shots at his presidency. And who knows, he might end up 50 years from now being considered a visionary. As a conservative, I am disappointed in his presidency and the behavior of the Republican congress. However, the Institute as well as the Library will be long term plusses for SMU because they will bring people to campus. These past 6 plus years have been filled with some very historic events which will be worth the time of historians in the future. The rise of Putin. The slow right turn of France. Al-Quada. Palestinian civil war. The fall of Blair and the third way. Iran. Global warming. Cloning. Identity theft. Lack of immigration reform. Deficit spending. Part D Social Security. Lots of good meaty stuff.

jtstang wrote:Look, I think the library will be a great addition to campus too, I just hate the "elitist liberal" attack brought to bear against anybody who dares question Bush's legacy. That is precisely the reason that this bs "policy center" to be run by Bush cronies has made the library so controversial.

There are plenty of moderate thinkers out there who think that Dubya has performed in a less than stellar, self serving manner when it comes to foreign policy, including obviously Iraq.

Go back and read what Hal reacted to my original post regarding my view of the library. He let his hate-Bush sentiments govern his response to me, and quite frankly, I wasn't going to let him get away with a passing cheap shot. Like Al Capone in The Untouchables said,

"If somebody's going to mess with me, I'm going to mess with him.''

I am a conservative and my belief system is what it is. I'm not thrilled with his second term. But in about two years, we won't have to worry about that, will we. And to clarify what the elitism comment meant, I wasn't directing it toward the Bush legacy per se as I was to how liberals think of themselves.

They pretty much regard themselves as the smartest ones in the room and that they really know what's going on and we conservatives just aren't enlightened enough to make meaningful and insightful arguments.

And if you don't think so, just ask them.

Don't much care about the politics of the issue. I confine my comments and concerns about the library to technical issues associated with its being on or associated w/ SMU. For instance, does the university have land secured w/ clear title? How can the university efficiency move traffic? What kind of aesthetic does the library present? As for the internal workings of the library, does it enhance university capabilities vis-a-vis library science in a general sense? How are facilities governed? And will any part of the library require special attention from the university for operations outside the scope of teaching and/or research (this is the pub. policy institute issue)? I don't think it is out of bounds to ask the questions associated with the deal. It doesn't mean that I or someone else doesn't want the library, nor does it mean that someone hates or loves President Bush or his policies. It means that it should be done right and not just glossed over. Measure twice, cut once.

Whether the Left wants to admit it or not, a library is a good thing for the university. I will not concede any part of that statement. Whether the Right wants to admit it or not, getting the details on the library's relationship with the university is important above and beyond the wishes for President Bush's legacy. It affects the university, its employees, students, and alumni. I will not concede any part of that statement either.

I believe (on faith) that the library will be tasteful, and its impact on the university generally positive, even in controversy associated with it. I also think that the university should be the dominant institution, not a public policy institute. The Kennedy School is a part of Harvard, not the other way around.

Stallion wrote:One man's politically motivated babble is another man's freedom of speach. In fact, I don't recall a single politician coming out against the Bush Library. Just common everyday folks expressing their opinion. Deal with it.

All I commented on was the insinuation that our friend Mr. Patton is a closet twin of Jerry Falwell. I never slammed people crying out against the library, it's their right, same as it is mine to believe that someone can support all the hooplah of the W library institue and not be a complete headcase.

Stlhockeyguy02 wrote:

Stallion wrote:One man's politically motivated babble is another man's freedom of speach. In fact, I don't recall a single politician coming out against the Bush Library. Just common everyday folks expressing their opinion. Deal with it.

All I commented on was the insinuation that our friend Mr. Patton is a closet twin of Jerry Falwell. I never slammed people crying out against the library, it's their right, same as it is mine to believe that someone can support all the hooplah of the W library institue and not be a complete headcase.

Buckethead Jr. is not a twin of Jerry Falwell. That is a damn mean thing to say and you should take it back.

Except I didn't call him that? Read it and it says I was talking about the INSINUATION that he was referred to being a Falwell-esque person. Show me where I called him a fanatic right wing evangelist.

I love the spirited debate. Good. Bad. Indifferent. It's fun.

I say we can't have a real library unless we have a [deleted] Cheney wing, a Donald Rumsfeld room and a Scooter Libby closet.

George S. Patton wrote:and a Scooter Libby closet.

He can use the one Barney Frank came out of.

mrydel wrote:

George S. Patton wrote:and a Scooter Libby closet.

He can use the one Barney Frank came out of.

You must mean Barney the Purple Dinosaur; Frank has never been IN a closet, and the Dinosaur is the one that has been trying to hug children for the last 15+ years.

WASHINGTON - Planning for the George W. Bush Presidential Library at SMU has taken another step forward with at least three nationally prominent firms competing to design it - and each can play up architectural ties to the president.

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