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Wuba wrote: I did not mean to [deleted] you off (or [deleted] off any mathematicians), my point was that you laid out a bunch of numbers that were all premised on an underlying assumption which undermined all of the numbers. I think you were better off making your case without trying to quantify it to such a degree, and I realize that you did say it was just guesswork so I suppose I should have just kept my mouth shut. Apologies.

wasnt pissed just laying the sarcasm on pretty thick.

Stallion wrote:here's 4 examples of the vertical passing offense in one game. And I believe Padron missed on at least 2 others. June Jones has stated several times that the difference between the Tech/UH style offense is that he runs a vertical passing game while TT/UH(note they've shared coordinators) run a horizontal passing game. Robinson may lead the country in ypc over the last 2 years because they want to stretch the field which causes DBs and LBs to cover 50 yards instead of 20 yards and even if the ball isn't thrown deep it opens up the shorter passing game to bigger plays because the defenders are covering much more of the field. Bo levi Mitchell I guarantee to you averaged 5-6 "vertical bombs" per game-that's a bunch especially if a QB proves he can hit those passes.

first i'll start with AR ypc. 2009 he avg 17.0 ypc, number 37 in the country, in 2008 hey avg 17.7 ypc, number 11 in the country.

and if you want to compare QBs yds/attempt (couldnt find it per completion)

2008- BLM 7 yds/attempt (T-58)
Keenum 8.5 yds/ attempt (11)
Harrell 8.2 yds/attempt (19)

2009
Padron 9.6 yds/attempt (1)
Keenum 8.1 yds/attempt (21)

comparing those two has a high degree of fault in it, because of the difference in attempts and completions Padron 135/201 and Keenum 492/700. However, it is a fair comparison if you base it off the fact that Padron completed 67.2% and Keenum completed 70.3%.

back to the rest of your point. throwing deep balls makes the db's respect the threat, but consistently completing routes in the 5-15 yard range opens up the deep ball. WHat came first the chicken or the egg? The reason I believe that Padron had a higher yards per attempt then blm is three fold. 1. completed more passes which directly correlates to a higher yd/attempt average. 2. Padron's on completions on short routes were better placed then BLM, allowing the receivers to run after the catch. 3. By completing numerous short routes, safeties began to play closer to the line of scrimmage allowing for more one on one coverage on deep balls, especially on the fade routes, you hardly saw a safety in position to make a play on the ball.

as i previously stated deep ball can open up the short routes and vice versa. But in this offense the short passing game is an extension of the running game. After wearing a defense out all game on short routes you have more opportunities to hit homeruns later on in the game. WIth the exception of the Nevada game, you did not see a lot of bombs from Padron early in the game. You dont see alabama chucking the ball down the field every series to open up their running game (although with julio jones they probably should).

as for blm averaging 5-6 vertical bombs... i dont think he was the best indicator of how this offense is supposed to perform. I also saw him throw a number of touchdowns to opposing teams, including a defensive end, which i highly doubt is in his progression

is he 6'5" and around 250?...cuz if he is then no dice, too big for JJ

Now a Rivals 3*

http://rivals.yahoo.com/smu/football/re ... ord-104357

Think I would rather have this guy than the other QB we are recruiting....we might not have a choice..

to clarify-Stephen Weatherford is rated 5.6(3 Star) No. 25 Pro-Style QB in Country according to Rivals
Connor Preston is unrated

I also saw that TCU has the number 18 QB in the country locked in...you think he would have at least given us a look...

Still, you'd think with 3,500 yards and 44 TDs, Preston would garner a few stars. My guess is that whoever the Rivals affiliate is in CA has merely fallen asleep at the wheel.

I like Weatherford, especially with the tough conference he plays in and being a double Mustang legacy, but Preston was at least 50% more productive as a junior.

Using one of Stallion's favorite benchmarks (D1 offers), you'd have to give the nod to Weatherford though, who currently has offers from East Carolina, South Florida, Cincinnati, Iowa State, North Texas, SMU and Southern Miss.

Still, after taking another unrated/underrated QB and turning him into a bowl MVP, I think they should just automatically give 4 stars to whatever QB Coach Jones selects.

Coach Klemm is having a heck of a week in recruiting! Congrats coach.

I liked Weatherford more from the video clips I've seen. Should be interesting to follow the two QB's careers since it appears these were the only two we were really after.

Stallion wrote:to clarify-Stephen Weatherford is rated 5.6(3 Star) No. 25 Pro-Style QB in Country according to Rivals
Connor Preston is unrated

Preston is now rated 5.5 (3 star) by Rivals.

Does a commitment from Conner preclude us from garnering a commitment from Weatherford ? I noticed both Georgia and USC have two qb commitments each; and, it appears all are top-rated. How active will we be in the continued pursuit of Weatherford - or will we ?

i'm sure that we will continue to pursue Weatherford if June wants him. he has said in the past he likes to have 5 QBs on the team. we need depth and competition for the position (as was proven last year)

Committed to South Florida.

http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/TheRec ... uarterback