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I am not trying to win an argument, Stallion. Why can't you just answer a simple question? I've put it as simply and straightforward as I possibly can.

Here are the facts. Being on the list of a recruit isn't signing that recruit. But it's an indicator of at least a degree of interest and is therefore limited but still useful data on how well a team is doing.

We have not just the ten out of state four stars who have shown interest (actually eighteen, but eight are currently committed elsewhere -- but with at least a couple still looking and even visiting us), and one in state four star, we have multiple three stars showing interest too (even though the three star ranking effort is just beginning and won't be complete for some time now). That says something.

I am led to the conclusion that this is the most interest we've had from top level recruits in a long, long time. Decades. Compare to this time last year and it's not even close.

I have answered your question on at least 3 occassions. You just don't like the answer. I trust the judgment of all Head Coaches of all Texas schools for the last 4 decades I have followed Texas recruiting-none of which have succeeded without primarily relying on Texas recruiing talent. That is undisputed on this board. My opinion is mainstream-yours is radical. Many of those schools do send a Coach or 2 outside of Texas BUT NONE OF THEM NEGLECT THE HOMEBASE. SMU did not lay their groundwork in Texas until too many prospects had committed or narrowed their choices. Now its simply catch-up mode.

I am not here to dispute anything you just said other than the first two sentences. You are either maliciously evading the question or too stupid to understand it. I am starting to believe the latter.

Ponyboy, try asking it a different way.

Do the readers of ponyfans feel that the 2011 class will be an improvement over the 2010 class? the 2009 class? Do the readers think this will be the best recruiting class of the Jones or Bennett regimes?

These three questions are yes/no questions only and are not concerned with any other thoughts or opinions being discussed on the board because we all know that we are unfortunately minimizing our focus on Texas recruits too little and too late.

I never answer yes or no to in the box questions. Always challange thoes who wish to control what you think, say, and deliver.

Am I right or wrong????

One Trick Pony wrote:I never answer yes or no to in the box questions. Always challange thoes who wish to control what you think, say, and deliver.

Am I right or wrong????

Yes.

well, never mind then. let's go back to suicidal recruiting talk.

Me: How are we looking in recruiting this year?

Stallion: We rely too much on one recruiter. Plus we're ignoring our backyard.

Me: Wow, that sounds bad. So we have no interest from recruits then?

Stallion: They're not from Texas.

Me: Oh, so there are some recruits interested in playing football for us then?

Stallion: They're not from Texas.

Me: I got that. That could be a bad thing down the road. But we do have some recruits from somewhere, right?

Stallion: They're not from Texas.

Me: Got it.

Stallion: ^ IGNORE

Me: Ok, let me ask someone else. How's the quality of the class looking?

Stallion: Klemm's doing all the work.

Me: Wow. That could be bad. But we are getting some looks nonetheless, right?

Stallion: They're not from Texas. Klemm's doing all the work.

Me: Can someone help me out here? Are we getting some looks?

Stallion: I've already answered that question. Texas. Klemm.

Me: Never mind.

Stallion: ^IGNORE

So Stallion, I have a question and I'm not trying to pick a fight. I actually read the reminder that we need to "play nice" on this board. I am genuinely interested. If five of the coaches had extended offers to 18 Texas four star recruits and 10 of them were seriously considering us over Big 12 and SEC schools, would you then applaud the school's recruiting efforts?

In other words, ignoring the zipcode of the recruit and the number of recruiters (both topics deserving of discussion on this board), how are we doing in recruiting this year's class?

I see two possible answers:

1) Outstanding.

2) There's not enough data to make a conclusion.

You'd think that if number one were true, we'd be allowed a degree of excitement on this board. Sure, it might have an asterisk that this isn't going to work long term -- that you can't ignore Texas long term and succeed (not a slam dunk argument, but one backed up by the fact that it apparently hasn't ever been done before). And that you can't rely on one guy to pull the load (not a slam dunk either as Klemm is the recruiting coordinator and therefore all offers go through him). But, quality wise, we're doing everything and more anyone could expect.

Or if number two, why not just say so? "I don't know" is an acceptable answer by most human beings. At least those who are not self proclaimed gurus and see themselves as the final say in all things having to do with that topic.

I am happy to be wrong. I have been before and will be again. Someone please offer a counterargument to what seems to me to be that we are on track right now to a fantastic class in February. Anybody.

yes fantastic -last few commitments include the German striker who we apparently stole from the German Bundesliga, Yenga's cousin whose claim to fame is holding the glacierly slow school record (16.14) in the 110 Meter Hurdles at a school that is 2 years old, Line's brother who runs a 4.9, a kid who played JV last year until being called up in playoffs, a kid who played at renegade private school and for most of the year played the equivalent of Junior High level Football competition until getting a late season chance with a Florida 3A program and I believe we stole a WR who had been planning to attend Tyler Junior College since he got no Division 1A offers. We are beating the bushes for talent. TCU must be trembling in their cleats. This isn't recruiting-its just projecting athletes that others have overlooked. But that's what happens when you don't do your homework and legwork in your home recruiting base. Ketchup Time

So you put zero stock in reported interest then? We had four Rivals four-star guys showing interest at this point last year. This year we have eighteen. That tells you nothing?

By the way, since you mentioned it, TCU outrecruited Texas A&M, Oklahoma State, Iowa, Michigan State, Virginia Tech, Penn State, Miami, Illinois, Maryland, UCLA, West Virginia, Missouri, and many, many other BCS schools last year. They are a perennial top twenty, ten, even five team. Duh they're outrecruiting us. Though they're exactly where we want to be ultimately, they are no longer the competition.

Stallion wrote:yes fantastic -last few commitments include the German striker who we apparently stole from the German Bundesliga, Yenga's cousin whose claim to fame is holding the glacierly slow school record (16.14) in the 110 Meter Hurdles at a school that is 2 years old, Line's brother who runs a 4.9, a kid who played JV last year until being called up in playoffs, a kid who played at renegade private school and for most of the year played the equivalent of Junior High level Football competition until getting a late season chance with a Florida 3A program and I believe we stole a WR who had been planning to attend Tyler Junior College since he got no Division 1A offers. We are beating the bushes for talent. TCU must be trembling in their cleats. This isn't recruiting-its just projecting athletes that others have overlooked. But that's what happens when you don't do your homework and legwork in your home recruiting base. Ketchup Time

Is this what it takes to be a ~litigator? Pick and choose a few anecdotal pieces of evidence that may have some truth in them but absolutely don't represent the "whole truth" in an effort to "win" the argument?

You choose Yenga's cousin's 110 hurdle time since it's slow. I'll give you that but for a 16-17 year old at 6'4", 240 lbs, it's remarkable he even attempts the high hurdles...he also throws the discus, played qb, lb, de, dl and various other positions which you didn't mention. You didn't mention that Ok State is showing interest in him. I've never seen him play, he might be horrible but to use his 110 time as evidence that he sucks and to support your point is intellectually dishonest. There are things about JJ's recruiting I'd change but to intimate that it's a sinking ship (my view of what you're implying), is, like I've said, intellectually dishonest.

What does it mean to receive interest from a recruit? What does it mean for a recruit to receive interest from a school?

Stallion wrote:yes fantastic -last few commitments include the German striker who we apparently stole from the German Bundesliga, Yenga's cousin whose claim to fame is holding the glacierly slow school record (16.14) in the 110 Meter Hurdles at a school that is 2 years old, Line's brother who runs a 4.9, a kid who played JV last year until being called up in playoffs, a kid who played at renegade private school and for most of the year played the equivalent of Junior High level Football competition until getting a late season chance with a Florida 3A program and I believe we stole a WR who had been planning to attend Tyler Junior College since he got no Division 1A offers. We are beating the bushes for talent. TCU must be trembling in their cleats. This isn't recruiting-its just projecting athletes that others have overlooked. But that's what happens when you don't do your homework and legwork in your home recruiting base. Ketchup Time

I was simply asking a question using the facts that have been raised on this thread. If you are in fact a litigator, you know from the first year of law school that you must first identify the issue and formulate your argument based on that issue. You should also have learned that there are two sides to an argument and you must be able to argue both sides. You entirely ignored the question I posed and argued that none of our commitments can play. This might be accurate, but you seem to want to obscure the issue by commenting on the talent of the commitments.

My question was simple and based primarily on the arguments you have raised on this recruiting board. I was genuinely interested to know if the facts presented would change your perspective. I should have known better than to try to have an intellectual conversation on this board.