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SMUstang wrote:It would be great to have someone like Tebow, Elway, Montana, or Staubach. Someone who just wins, never mind how.

NONE OF THEM ARE ELIGIBLE

SMUer wrote:

couch 'em wrote:Idiots. Jones has negatives but bottom line is he got things done and we are a QB away from mu h more. 2 years.

Except that the one QB is 99% of June's job, his specialty, his responsibility and the most important component of his team. I am in no way in the "fire June Jones" camp but I completely understand people having concerns in year four. You're not a bad fan for scratching your head, you just paid attention to how he was advertised.

Thank you.

And how was he advertised? Hint: Compare his record at Hawaii in years two through four to his record here. He's ahead of schedule here.

Think there were big recruits lined-up for Hawaii when JJ left there? Probably. It didn't stop him.

I say he jumps if the money, praise and adoration are there.
His statue is already assured here.

Lotta sunshine today.

Don't forget how you felt watching USM, Tulsa, Navy, Houston and Rice games in Year Four.

No one will pay him more than us...

ponyboy wrote:And how was he advertised? Hint: Compare his record at Hawaii in years two through four to his record here. He's ahead of schedule here.

When you are a QB guru in the run-and-shoot and you don't have one in year four, you're exactly 4 years behind schedule...3 if you cherish red-shirts, which June hasn't shown to be true at any point in his career. I thought he had someone with raw talent who he could work with in Bo (no improvement) and I thought he had someone who "got it" in Kyle (no improvement, but I think still capable) but despite their raw skills, neither has been groomed to be a run-and-shoot QB. I don't know who to put that on but it's clear who oversees that particular department. Godspeed June.

ponyboy wrote:And how was he advertised? Hint: Compare his record at Hawaii in years two through four to his record here. He's ahead of schedule here.

2000:3-9 24.5 ppg 33.2 oppg 396.7 ypg 405.2 oypg
2001:9-3 40.2 ppg 26.5 oppg 462.7 ypg 431.7 oypg
2002:10-4 35.9 ppg 27.8 oppg 495.6 ypg 395 oypg
Total: 22-16 0 conf titles 1 bowl appearance 0 bowl wins



2009:8-5 29.2 ppg 27.6 oppg 391.8 ypg 397.1 oypg
2010:7-7 25.7 ppg 25.6 oppg 414.6 ypg 352.9 oypg
2011:7-5 25.7 ppg 24.5 oppg 396.0 ypg 351.3 oypg
Total: 22-17 0 conf titles 3 bowl appearances 1 bowl win (2011 bowl result pending)


Offenses at Hawaii were much better, defenses are better at SMU. Not ahead of schedule because we still haven't had a 9 or 10 win season and there's no legit QB in place here yet. By the end of year 4 at Hawaii June had 9 + win seasons with 3 different QBs.

couch 'em wrote:Idiots. Jones has negatives but bottom line is he got things done and we are a QB away from mu h more. 2 years.

Bingo! Keno!

I agree it takes 4 to 5 years to build a program. But June was not hired to build a program, he was hired to revive a DEAD program that had been dormant for 20 years. I am guessing the first two years of recruiting were brutal. You go meet a recruit, tell them where you are coaching and the kid ask, Where? I think we are just now starting to see what June and his staff are capable of when it comes to recruiting. I am not a fan of the R&S, but I support June Jones and the miracle he seems to be creating on the hilltop. I am going to cut him some slack on the rebuilding time frame.

lwjr wrote:I agree it takes 4 to 5 years to build a program. But June was not hired to build a program, he was hired to revive a DEAD program that had been dormant for 20 years. I am guessing the first two years of recruiting were brutal. You go meet a recruit, tell them where you are coaching and the kid ask, Where? I think we are just now starting to see what June and his staff are capable of when it comes to recruiting. I am not a fan of the R&S, but I support June Jones and the miracle he seems to be creating on the hilltop. I am going to cut him some slack on the rebuilding time frame.

Wow totally agree, RnS is only fun when it works, this season hasnt been short of disaster. I wish he would have a second playbook thats design for more run and PA. It would just be nice to see something like that.

SMU_Alumni11 wrote:

lwjr wrote:I agree it takes 4 to 5 years to build a program. But June was not hired to build a program, he was hired to revive a DEAD program that had been dormant for 20 years. I am guessing the first two years of recruiting were brutal. You go meet a recruit, tell them where you are coaching and the kid ask, Where? I think we are just now starting to see what June and his staff are capable of when it comes to recruiting. I am not a fan of the R&S, but I support June Jones and the miracle he seems to be creating on the hilltop. I am going to cut him some slack on the rebuilding time frame.

Wow totally agree, RnS is only fun when it works, this season hasnt been short of disaster. I wish he would have a second playbook thats design for more run and PA. It would just be nice to see something like that.

COULDN'T AGREE MORE

As I have said before, even Ron Meyer, recruiter extraordinaire, did not have a winning season until his fifth one here. And that was after succeeding a coach who had three winning seasons out of four.

I like the name topper reminds me of the cat with a big dog

Topper wrote:As I have said before, even Ron Meyer, recruiter extraordinaire, did not have a winning season until his fifth one here. And that was after succeeding a coach who had three winning seasons out of four.

Well, according to June year five for him -- unlike Meyer -- is going to be a total flop.