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Stallion wrote:...and they never will again. This is a long range demographics shift that even the Big 10 knows is trending strongly against the Big 10 in competitiveness in College Football. Not enough Jimmies and Joes

If you're talking about more and more snowbirds leaving for the people's republic of California and the South, I can go with that to an extent! They're obviously going to USC and the SEC because the likes of the Arizona schools, UCLA and other schools in warm weather climates isn't revealing itself with consistent success.

Otherwise, can you help me understand what you are saying here.

For the sake of the this year alone:

The Big 10 went 4-6 in bowl games (not good but not embarrassing)

The PAC 12 went 2-5

The ACC (warm weather climate and don't throw "it's a basketball conference'' in there because you went with this broadbrush generalization) went 2-6

The Big 12 is 6-1 with KSU to play

The Big East is 3-1 (hopefully 3-2 after Saturday)

The SEC is 4-2 with Arkansas, LSU and Alabama to play. That conference will either be 6-3 or 5-4.

You look at the Rivals Top 50 team rankings and it's the usual suspects in there, especially in the top 20. Yes, the Texas and Florida kids may not be the ones that stay home but those kids don't stink either.

I agree partly with waht you're saying but not all of it. Kids want to go to a place where they want to play and have an impact.

To be honest, I didn't find a heckuva lot of difference between the skill players between the Big 10 and the SEC Pac 12 schools. The issue the Big 10 has -- I've been saying this for years -- is that it still cannot get LBs who can run.

But we are also in a different age of college football where points and yards come in bunches and every defensive coordinator is pulling his hair out every week.

I know it's ifs but Wisconsin could have very easily won the Rose Bowl had Russell Wilson not thrown that pic at the end of the third quarter.

You'll excuse me when I tell you the Big 10 isn't falling apart as rapidly as you care to suggest.

hmmmm if i am an 18 year old recruit do i want to be in -20 weather in minnsota and looking at the sows errr girls up there or Florida or Baton Rouge.If you had a choice where would you spend your college years playing ball

That stereotype is the same as the South being accused of having nothing but hicks living in it. Look the midwest is just fine basically through October. November can be iffy but not Antarctica either. Let's get real.

Plus, most of the Big 10 teams either hold spring indoors or in late march or April. Where the conference may be hurt is not enough outdoor individual work between December and March. As technology has shown a good indoor track can serve the same purpose. Does SMU hold its weight training workouts outside?

Look I get that free time in Minneapolis in January is different than in Baton Rouge. And that may make a difference.

But the Midwest isn't the purgatory some fella would like you to believe it is either.

The SEC has the upper hand at this period of the college football cycle. In 10 years it could be another conference.

I think there is some merit to what i said about weather.Also i dont know about high school football up north but i have to wonder if it is important and competative as it is down here.How many 50 million dollar high school stadiums are there in wisconson.How else do you explain the gap and dont act like the gap isnt wide right now because it is

I dont know. Do you know how many are in Wisconsin? Define down here because if it's beyond Texas then you're cherry picking across the south.

But SMU's most recent commitment is from Indiana....hmmm

Hey since we are going back and forth on this let me ask you whats up with college baseball up north why no champions from up there.Also Maybe the high school coaching is just better in cali and in the south

I am pretty sure there are 0 high school stadiums up there nicer than college stadiums we just care more about football in texas and across the south.Not just college but high school as well

Well, the big 10 will go into Texas and Florida and California to get its share of kids. It understands there are good players there, of course.

But you go where the good players are. Obviously, the SMU coaching staff thought this Dieter kid was pretty good and got him away from Kansas.

Note to Stallion: While the MAC offers were what they were, according to Dieter it was down to a BCS school and a for now-non AQ school.

The non-AQ school won the battle. If memory serves these were the little battles TCU was winning as its program started to grow.

It is not the weather as much as it is shifts in population. The loss of jobs in the manufacturing industry has hit the Big 10 states the hardest. That in turn means not as many kids showing up to play football in places like Michigan, Ohio, Penn. I was reading an article in ESPN the magazine where they were interviewing high school coaches from a school in Penn. Said 25 years ago, the school at 3,000 kids and 120 kids showed up for Freshman football. Today those numbers are about a third.

Dwan wrote:It is not the weather as much as it is shifts in population. The loss of jobs in the manufacturing industry has hit the Big 10 states the hardest. That in turn means not as many kids showing up to play football in places like Michigan, Ohio, Penn. I was reading an article in ESPN the magazine where they were interviewing high school coaches from a school in Penn. Said 25 years ago, the school at 3,000 kids and 120 kids showed up for Freshman football. Today those numbers are about a third.

You made this argument better than Stallion or I did.

And I think there is something to that. Hence the snowbirds reference.

Dwan wrote:It is not the weather as much as it is shifts in population. The loss of jobs in the manufacturing industry has hit the Big 10 states the hardest. That in turn means not as many kids showing up to play football in places like Michigan, Ohio, Penn. I was reading an article in ESPN the magazine where they were interviewing high school coaches from a school in Penn. Said 25 years ago, the school at 3,000 kids and 120 kids showed up for Freshman football. Today those numbers are about a third.

Your right of cousre but i still prefer to think we just do it better down here in tejas

NomAnor wrote:I think there is some merit to what i said about weather.Also i dont know about high school football up north but i have to wonder if it is important and competative as it is down here.How many 50 million dollar high school stadiums are there in wisconson.How else do you explain the gap and dont act like the gap isnt wide right now because it is

It should be strongly noted that the high school athletic associations in the Northwest, Midwest, Northeast and Mid Atlantic do NOT allow spring training and kids participating in 7 on 7. I guess that the philosophy is that this would allow distinct competitive advantages to those schools who economically could afford coaches and support networks beyond the designated HS season. In addition, it would discourage kids from participating in other sports. Another factor is the the number of additional colleges in the Southeast in particular (UCF, USF, Georgia State, Troy, Florida International, Florida Atlantic to name a few) who have upgraded to FSB status in the last 10 years. As a result, kids from the Southeast, Texas and S. Cal have many more options to stay closer to home and play FSB level ball than they did in the 90s. IMHO, the high school spring training, 7 on 7 and many more colleges at the FSB level has dramatically changed the dynamics of where there is more emphasis placed on HS ball, where more talent is being developed and where kids are looking and staying to play. This is making recuiting and depth levels much more difficult for Big 10 as well as some ACC and Big East schools as the southern kids have more options are no longer part of an authomatic pipeline if they did not get picked up by one of the regional traditional bigs.