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jpe747 wrote:Yes, the JUCO. Call me prez of the Sunshine...HOWEVER, what I said I am positive I am right. You want better recruits and recruits that stay with your program no matter who is coach? The only way without cheating is WIN, WIN, WIN. The more you win, the more heads turn. Of course, putting butts in seats also helps. But, to do that you need to WIN, WIN, WIN!

Stlhockeyguy02 wrote:It's amusing watching people argue with facts.

Stallion wrote:

Stlhockeyguy02 wrote:It's amusing watching people argue with facts.

Yes SMU sunshiners are impressive debaters. You tell them there is a problem for years and they argue that it ain't true and then the problem becomes fact and they argue it didn't matter anyway. This has been going on for decades with the SMU fanbase-often takes years before truth is accepted.

Mustangs_Maroons wrote:Being a recruiter and college coach is a very unique job. Their task is to convince 17-18 year olds to commit to a scheme, philosophy, the coaches themselves AND to the university. However, it's tough to sell something that you don't believe in yourself. Try and you won't be successful. Part of the problem is that we have coaches that try to only sell part of these things. They sell their coaching schemes (ie, run'n'shoot); they sell their backgrounds, etc, but JJ and AK never tried to really sell the whole package. I suspect it's because they never saw this as a long-term job. JJ was a guy that was hired here to fix things and then move on. That is exactly how they have behaved; they have behaved in a short-term manner because that is what JJ does. We don't sell SMU to these kids. We don't sell our tradition. JJ has never bought into packaging himself with the university. That is why they showed no loyalty when there were rumors about ASU. It's very possible these coaches were already talking to our recruits about a possible move. That is why AK never had any loyalty to SMU and lied through his teeth about being committed to SMU only to jump ship a few days later.

I don't blame AK for trying to poach the recruits he talked to while at SMU, since he's technically allowed to. But I do not care for the way he turned on us after telling us he was committed to the school. If AK had sold these kids on SMU, we may lose some but we wouldn't lose all or most of them. JP believes in cougar high, which is why he's not actively poaching the recruits. AK never did and therefore feels no reservations trying to poach them.

We need coaches that believe in our school and our tradition (we really do have a reach history). How many school's can say they have had heisman trophy winners, NCs, players of the caliber of a Doak Walker or an ED? The NCAA even gives the best college running back an award after one of our very own. Do the recruits even know this? It may be a long time ago but that is what tradition is. We need stability and we need someone committed to not only his philosophy but also our school. We need someone that is proven and hungry. Until we have that, we can make progress but it will never take us to where we want (and deserve) to be. Until we have that stability, we'll always be vulnerable to losing these kids when a recruiter leaves.

I'm not happy with what JJ did. Am I convinced that he won't leave at the next best opportunity that he is presented with? Nope. If we're not convinced, can we really blame these recruits?

jpe747 wrote:Do I dare assume from his comments that Stallion thinks loosing is the better way to get good recruits?
First off, I grant you that we lost some good players. But, except for one or two cases, we seem to be getting players about as good to replace them. Until we are competing for four and five star players we are not going to be the kind of team that I hope we become. To do that we have to win for a number of years. BE will help, but, not if we don't win games. We had a spell of loosing for 20+ years. We are considered LOSERS by Texas kids. I know they do around my community because I've heard them laugh when SMU and football is mentioned in the same sentence. We've tried recruiting in Texas for 20+ years and we've recruited in California for several years. You've got some bad coaches getting the kind of talent we need. Why? Because of their record.