Treadway21 wrote:Hart must have been getting hit on twitter:
@AD_RickHart: To clarify: goal is C-USA champ. No. 1 priority. Period. 4th consecutive bowl, regardless of locale, would be special. #SMU #PonyUp
But the key twitter post from Hart was the one that led to the one you quoted:
Rick Hart ‏@AD_RickHart Thought they were one-in-the-same. “@wfdelong: @AD_RickHart then why was Coach Jones quoted as saying that the Hawaii Bowl was the goal?”
Which infers Hart thinks/thought the Hawai`i Bowl is for the C-USA Champion. I wonder where he got that idea?
Treadway21 wrote:Hart must have been getting hit on twitter:
@AD_RickHart: To clarify: goal is C-USA champ. No. 1 priority. Period. 4th consecutive bowl, regardless of locale, would be special. #SMU #PonyUp
But the key twitter post from Hart was the one that led to the one you quoted:
Rick Hart ‏@AD_RickHart Thought they were one-in-the-same. “@wfdelong: @AD_RickHart then why was Coach Jones quoted as saying that the Hawaii Bowl was the goal?”
Which infers Hart thinks/thought the Hawai`i Bowl is for the C-USA Champion. I wonder where he got that idea?
I read it as June thought they were one and the same
Guys, there's no conflict there. Hart says that CUSA championship is THE goal and whatever bowl happens is secondary. He in no way implied he thinks the Hawaii Bowl is for the CUSA champion and I have no idea how anyone could read that into what he said.
June doesn't think they're one in the same, Calallen. He knows the difference. He just wants to go to Hawaii no matter which other bowl comes calling. And I think that may be ok with Hart as long as the team has winning CUSA as its primary focus and goal.
I just want to weigh in on the Civil war that is being fought on Ponyfans seemingly in every football thread about June Jones.
I became an SMU Fottball fan basically 4 years ago when I attended SMU LAW. My undergrad college didn't have a football team, so I bought into SMU's hook line and sinker. Thus I have only followed SMU during June Jones Tenure. I think this gives me a good perspective on the state of things with JUne because I am not influanced by anything other that his actualy preformance. Here is what I think:
The good: Jones is a good coach. I think he is exceptionally good at evaluating talent, and seeing it where others don't. I know people point to the QB position and say he's been a failure but I don't think that is fair. We ahve gotten average to good play out of our QB's under Jones. What we have lacked is an exceptional QB, June only had 1 at Hawaii and quite honestly every team in the country is looking for this, very few hit it even semi regularly (the closest I've observed would be USC during the Pete Carrol era). Where Jones' skill as a talent evaluator are demonstrated is the amount of players he has put onto NFL rosters. I think His system is designed to allow lesser talent to over acheive, if you have an extremely accurate posied 30yrd passer. People who think the Run and shoot is outdated don't know what they are talking about. Every NFL team uses concepts of the Run and Shoot and the Patriots run a modified version of the Offense (using more TE rather than Slot recievers, but this is a more recent developement based on what talent they had). I agree June's play calling is suspect but look at any game where a team loses and you can usually find situations where you disagree with the play calling. That's football, and even though I think some of the poorer decisions come from stubborness I can live with it. Jones also is responsible for changing a good amount of the culture of the team from pernial losers to wanting to becompetative. I think there is a legitamete chicken or the egg argument here but none the less it happened under June so he IMO get the Benefit of the doubt.
The Bad: Ego. June has such an ego that it gets in the way of many aspects of what it means to be a college head coach. His ego tells him that his system is superiour and less dependant on talent. This leads to less of an emphasis on recruiting. This is a huge source of disappointment because SMU is poised to be a powerhouse if you work at it. TCU has a good coach that works recruiting. Thus TCU has had 8 10+ win seasons over the last 10 years. SMU could do that if we made the effort to do so. We are a better school, in a better city, with more resources if we choose to deploy them (our alumni not conference obvi). His ego also stops him from admitting mistakes because each of his decisions get wrapped up in it. KP is the biggest example of this IMO. June has fully adopted to the Hawaii laid back life style. This makes him appear disinterested to anyone who hasn't spent time on the islands. It's annoying and comes of as disrespectful. He also has an inflated sense of what he is entitled to given how he was treated at U of H. When you are the only game in town you are more prominant. IN dallas you ahve to earn it by winning. And winning in Dallas isn't 7-5 in a mediocre to poor conference. Winning is 10+ wins.
Overall: June has done a good job here given where this program came from. However with all the nonsense it's clear that the team has plataued. IMO june gets away with crap no other coach in the country could, but only gets away with it because a core group of big supporters have been so scared by 20 yearrs of wilderness they are willing to forgive. This is the college football equivalent of a bettered wife syndrome. With the new admissions rules in place and a generaly more friendly administration, any decent coach should be able to achive what June is no producing. If you are going to pay 2+ million you shyould be able to get a great coach who can take us to the next level. Thanks june for all you ahve done, enjoy retirement in Hawaii.
Pony_Law wrote:I just want to weigh in on the Civil war that is being fought on Ponyfans seemingly in every football thread about June Jones.
I became an SMU Fottball fan basically 4 years ago when I attended SMU LAW. My undergrad college didn't have a football team, so I bought into SMU's hook line and sinker. Thus I have only followed SMU during June Jones Tenure. I think this gives me a good perspective on the state of things with JUne because I am not influanced by anything other that his actualy preformance. Here is what I think:
The good: Jones is a good coach. I think he is exceptionally good at evaluating talent, and seeing it where others don't. I know people point to the QB position and say he's been a failure but I don't think that is fair. We ahve gotten average to good play out of our QB's under Jones. What we have lacked is an exceptional QB, June only had 1 at Hawaii and quite honestly every team in the country is looking for this, very few hit it even semi regularly (the closest I've observed would be USC during the Pete Carrol era). Where Jones' skill as a talent evaluator are demonstrated is the amount of players he has put onto NFL rosters. I think His system is designed to allow lesser talent to over acheive, if you have an extremely accurate posied 30yrd passer. People who think the Run and shoot is outdated don't know what they are talking about. Every NFL team uses concepts of the Run and Shoot and the Patriots run a modified version of the Offense (using more TE rather than Slot recievers, but this is a more recent developement based on what talent they had). I agree June's play calling is suspect but look at any game where a team loses and you can usually find situations where you disagree with the play calling. That's football, and even though I think some of the poorer decisions come from stubborness I can live with it. Jones also is responsible for changing a good amount of the culture of the team from pernial losers to wanting to becompetative. I think there is a legitamete chicken or the egg argument here but none the less it happened under June so he IMO get the Benefit of the doubt.
The Bad: Ego. June has such an ego that it gets in the way of many aspects of what it means to be a college head coach. His ego tells him that his system is superiour and less dependant on talent. This leads to less of an emphasis on recruiting. This is a huge source of disappointment because SMU is poised to be a powerhouse if you work at it. TCU has a good coach that works recruiting. Thus TCU has had 8 10+ win seasons over the last 10 years. SMU could do that if we made the effort to do so. We are a better school, in a better city, with more resources if we choose to deploy them (our alumni not conference obvi). His ego also stops him from admitting mistakes because each of his decisions get wrapped up in it. KP is the biggest example of this IMO. June has fully adopted to the Hawaii laid back life style. This makes him appear disinterested to anyone who hasn't spent time on the islands. It's annoying and comes of as disrespectful. He also has an inflated sense of what he is entitled to given how he was treated at U of H. When you are the only game in town you are more prominant. IN dallas you ahve to earn it by winning. And winning in Dallas isn't 7-5 in a mediocre to poor conference. Winning is 10+ wins.
Overall: June has done a good job here given where this program came from. However with all the nonsense it's clear that the team has plataued. IMO june gets away with crap no other coach in the country could, but only gets away with it because a core group of big supporters have been so scared by 20 yearrs of wilderness they are willing to forgive. This is the college football equivalent of a bettered wife syndrome. With the new admissions rules in place and a generaly more friendly administration, any decent coach should be able to achive what June is no producing. If you are going to pay 2+ million you shyould be able to get a great coach who can take us to the next level. Thanks june for all you ahve done, enjoy retirement in Hawaii.
Nice post, really deserves it's own thread (preferably something with Civil War in the title).
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Pony_Law wrote:I just want to weigh in on the Civil war that is being fought on Ponyfans seemingly in every football thread about June Jones.
I became an SMU Fottball fan basically 4 years ago when I attended SMU LAW. My undergrad college didn't have a football team, so I bought into SMU's hook line and sinker. Thus I have only followed SMU during June Jones Tenure. I think this gives me a good perspective on the state of things with JUne because I am not influanced by anything other that his actualy preformance. Here is what I think:
The good: Jones is a good coach. I think he is exceptionally good at evaluating talent, and seeing it where others don't. I know people point to the QB position and say he's been a failure but I don't think that is fair. We ahve gotten average to good play out of our QB's under Jones. What we have lacked is an exceptional QB, June only had 1 at Hawaii and quite honestly every team in the country is looking for this, very few hit it even semi regularly (the closest I've observed would be USC during the Pete Carrol era). Where Jones' skill as a talent evaluator are demonstrated is the amount of players he has put onto NFL rosters. I think His system is designed to allow lesser talent to over acheive, if you have an extremely accurate posied 30yrd passer. People who think the Run and shoot is outdated don't know what they are talking about. Every NFL team uses concepts of the Run and Shoot and the Patriots run a modified version of the Offense (using more TE rather than Slot recievers, but this is a more recent developement based on what talent they had). I agree June's play calling is suspect but look at any game where a team loses and you can usually find situations where you disagree with the play calling. That's football, and even though I think some of the poorer decisions come from stubborness I can live with it. Jones also is responsible for changing a good amount of the culture of the team from pernial losers to wanting to becompetative. I think there is a legitamete chicken or the egg argument here but none the less it happened under June so he IMO get the Benefit of the doubt.
The Bad: Ego. June has such an ego that it gets in the way of many aspects of what it means to be a college head coach. His ego tells him that his system is superiour and less dependant on talent. This leads to less of an emphasis on recruiting. This is a huge source of disappointment because SMU is poised to be a powerhouse if you work at it. TCU has a good coach that works recruiting. Thus TCU has had 8 10+ win seasons over the last 10 years. SMU could do that if we made the effort to do so. We are a better school, in a better city, with more resources if we choose to deploy them (our alumni not conference obvi). His ego also stops him from admitting mistakes because each of his decisions get wrapped up in it. KP is the biggest example of this IMO. June has fully adopted to the Hawaii laid back life style. This makes him appear disinterested to anyone who hasn't spent time on the islands. It's annoying and comes of as disrespectful. He also has an inflated sense of what he is entitled to given how he was treated at U of H. When you are the only game in town you are more prominant. IN dallas you ahve to earn it by winning. And winning in Dallas isn't 7-5 in a mediocre to poor conference. Winning is 10+ wins.
Overall: June has done a good job here given where this program came from. However with all the nonsense it's clear that the team has plataued. IMO june gets away with crap no other coach in the country could, but only gets away with it because a core group of big supporters have been so scared by 20 yearrs of wilderness they are willing to forgive. This is the college football equivalent of a bettered wife syndrome. With the new admissions rules in place and a generaly more friendly administration, any decent coach should be able to achive what June is no producing. If you are going to pay 2+ million you shyould be able to get a great coach who can take us to the next level. Thanks june for all you ahve done, enjoy retirement in Hawaii.
Yes^^^ can't disagree with any of your points.
SMU's first president, Robert S. Hyer, selected Harvard Crimson and Yale Blue as SMU's colors to symbolize SMU's high academic standards. We are one of the few Universities to have school colors with real meaning...and we just blow them off.
Treadway21 wrote:Hart must have been getting hit on twitter:
@AD_RickHart: To clarify: goal is C-USA champ. No. 1 priority. Period. 4th consecutive bowl, regardless of locale, would be special. #SMU #PonyUp
But the key twitter post from Hart was the one that led to the one you quoted:
Rick Hart ‏@AD_RickHart Thought they were one-in-the-same. “@wfdelong: @AD_RickHart then why was Coach Jones quoted as saying that the Hawaii Bowl was the goal?”
Which infers Hart thinks/thought the Hawai`i Bowl is for the C-USA Champion. I wonder where he got that idea?
Good point. I did see that tweet, but his answer seemed ambiguous, and this tweet seemed to be the clarification. I did tweet to him that I thought he should tell the coach that the goal is the conference championship not the hawaii bowl. Hoopmanx responded but Hart didn't.
Hart must be shocked he has to deal with this. Little does he know we have been through this routine before.
To reinforce Stallion's point, can you imagine Kevin Sumlin or Mack Brown or Gary Patterson saying we just need 3 out of 4 to get to XYZ bowl, when they are in the hunt for a conference championship? Didn't think so.
An atheist is a guy who watches a Notre Dame-SMU football game and doesn't care who wins. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
