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June has turned around the football program. Everyone knows that. In fact, I know of no one that doesn't give him credit. But, when you look at the big picture he's done what he can, and now it's time to take it up another notch. This is college football, a business. A head coach is judged by the relative importance of wins and losses, how he recruits, builds a staff, and how he engages and responds to a school's alumni and fan base. Good head coaches work almost 365 days a year, or as many days as they can without their wives threatening divorce. We'll be fine.

Pat Sullivan was 1-10 his last year. Sullivan was the Dave Smith of TCU Football-despised. Franchione turned that program around from 1-10 to a national ranked team in 3 years.

Stallion wrote:Pat Sullivan was 1-10 his last year. Sullivan was the Dave Smith of TCU Football-despised. Franchione turned that program around from 1-10 to a national ranked team in 3 years.

I'm talking about the rebirth of the TCU brand into a winning program with a winning attitude. SMU hasn't done anything like that yet.

TidePony wrote:June has turned around the football program. Everyone knows that. In fact, I know of no one that doesn't give him credit. But, when you look at the big picture he's done what he can, and now it's time to take it up another notch. This is college football, a business. A head coach is judged by the relative importance of wins and losses, how he recruits, builds a staff, and how he engages and responds to a school's alumni and fan base. Good head coaches work almost 365 days a year, or as many days as they can without their wives threatening divorce. We'll be fine.

I agree with your statement. SMU needs a new coach, but I appreciate what June Jones has done for our program. We need that new charismatic coach that will take us 12-0 and nationally ranked.

sbsmith wrote:

feelthehorsepower wrote:If SMU gets rid of June Jones...don't expect us to win any more...we need him and if we would have listened to his recommendations and recruited the kids he wanted to bring in...we might have gotten things changed around already and not be in a 7-7 rut

32-38, in case you haven't noticed we're not actually winning.

Got to love stats. We are 1-4 this season. That's losing. We were 7-6 last year, that's winning. We were 8-5 the precious year, also winning. Etc, etc. June has brought winning football to SMU. We have to wait til the end of this season to see whether he has maintained winning football at SMU. To use June's career SMU record to show he has been a loser here is just silly.

Mustangsabu wrote:

sbsmith wrote:

feelthehorsepower wrote:If SMU gets rid of June Jones...don't expect us to win any more...we need him and if we would have listened to his recommendations and recruited the kids he wanted to bring in...we might have gotten things changed around already and not be in a 7-7 rut

32-38, in case you haven't noticed we're not actually winning.

Got to love stats. We are 1-4 this season. That's losing. We were 7-6 last year, that's winning. We were 8-5 the precious year, also winning. Etc, etc. June has brought winning football to SMU. We have to wait til the end of this season to see whether he has maintained winning football at SMU. To use June's career SMU record to show he has been a loser here is just silly.

You are what your record says you are, and June's record says he's lost more games than he's won. It's gets especially gory when you get into his record against relevant competiton (P5, winning teams, ranked teams, etc). The only type of winning football June has brought here is winning against lousy competition.

sbsmith wrote:The only type of winning football June has brought here is winning against lousy competition.

This is the bottom line.

June doesn't have a winning record against Division 1A programs EVEN IF you throw out his first year

So if A coach took over a program and went 1-11, 3-9, 5-7 and then 12-0 you'd call him a loser?

Stallion wrote:June doesn't have a winning record against Division 1A programs EVEN IF you throw out his first year

Very true. But he has had winning seasons against D1A programs.

I'm anxiously awaiting that 12-0 season.

SMU2007 wrote:I'm anxiously awaiting that 12-0 season.

That season would happen after dropping to FCS. We've shown we can compete with and beat a good team at the level - Montana St.

LA_Mustang wrote:

SMU2007 wrote:I'm anxiously awaiting that 12-0 season.

That season would happen after dropping to FCS. We've shown we can compete with and beat a good team at the level - Montana St.

I wouldn't say we were terribly competitive with them the first half of the game.

Mustangsabu wrote:So if A coach took over a program and went 1-11, 3-9, 5-7 and then 12-0 you'd call him a loser?

Wouldn't call him a loser but he'd still have a losing record, would have to examine who exactly he's playing against. Is that 12-0 a real 12-0 or a "June Jones 12-0" accomplished by beating up on junk?

sbsmith wrote:

Mustangsabu wrote:So if A coach took over a program and went 1-11, 3-9, 5-7 and then 12-0 you'd call him a loser?

Wouldn't call him a loser but he'd still have a losing record, would have to examine who exactly he's playing against. Is that 12-0 a real 12-0 or a "June Jones 12-0" accomplished by beating up on junk?

Did you just manage to make June's 12-0 regular season at HI a pejorative term? Oh that's not really an unbeaten regular season, that's just a "June Jones 12-0"???? You think that the 41-10 beating my Georgia somehow undermines that achievement? Sure it showed HI were not an NC caliber team, but it was a magnificent season.

My oh my how the goalposts have moved in the last 5 years.....