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ghost wrote:Of most colleges undergraduate enrollment, what is your guess for the percentage of students whose #1 priority is academic? 10%...20%. I would guess that 70-80% of most "American" students are more interested in the overall experience of a university than just the academic side. So the rise in applications is probably in that 80% category or am I looking at this wrong. For too long SMU has not recruited the well-rounded student who likes it all...academics, extracurricular, etc. So many foreign students and students from other states who will not be active fans and financial supporters for the SMU sports teams after graduation. TCU is more of a large community college now with many well-rounded students who will be the business leaders and donors to TCU for decades to come.

In fairness, have to note that just over 54% of TCU's students, this "large community college", come from out of state.

Oldmins wrote:

ghost wrote:Of most colleges undergraduate enrollment, what is your guess for the percentage of students whose #1 priority is academic? 10%...20%. I would guess that 70-80% of most "American" students are more interested in the overall experience of a university than just the academic side. So the rise in applications is probably in that 80% category or am I looking at this wrong. For too long SMU has not recruited the well-rounded student who likes it all...academics, extracurricular, etc. So many foreign students and students from other states who will not be active fans and financial supporters for the SMU sports teams after graduation. TCU is more of a large community college now with many well-rounded students who will be the business leaders and donors to TCU for decades to come.

In fairness, have to note that just over 54% of TCU's students, this "large community college", come from out of state.

not to derail this further but that didn't pass the smell test. With a quick google I found This is for their incoming freshman class only but for their undergrad (all four years) it's still over 60% Texas amd was over 70% Texas for decades. They finally realized that more diversity would help and now they're trying to overcompensate.

When I was applying I did view tcu as a large community college but that was in the mid 90s.

Still wouldnt have applied now. Overall quality of their students is not very good.

Back to football, I think the playoff committee is a joke. It adds no value. They should have just stuck with the ap rankings and had the 4 college playoff. No need to involve people like c. Rice to this. It's absurd. That is why these rankings are so shallow.

maybe one day have a real playoff. 4 teams is not a real playoff.

Mustangs_Maroons wrote:

Oldmins wrote:

ghost wrote:Of most colleges undergraduate enrollment, what is your guess for the percentage of students whose #1 priority is academic? 10%...20%. I would guess that 70-80% of most "American" students are more interested in the overall experience of a university than just the academic side. So the rise in applications is probably in that 80% category or am I looking at this wrong. For too long SMU has not recruited the well-rounded student who likes it all...academics, extracurricular, etc. So many foreign students and students from other states who will not be active fans and financial supporters for the SMU sports teams after graduation. TCU is more of a large community college now with many well-rounded students who will be the business leaders and donors to TCU for decades to come.

In fairness, have to note that just over 54% of TCU's students, this "large community college", come from out of state.

not to derail this further but that didn't pass the smell test. With a quick google I found This is for their incoming freshman class only but for their undergrad (all four years) it's still over 60% Texas amd was over 70% Texas for decades. They finally realized that more diversity would help and now they're trying to overcompensate.

When I was applying I did view tcu as a large community college but that was in the mid 90s.

Still wouldnt have applied now. Overall quality of their students is not very good.

Back to football, I think the playoff committee is a joke. It adds no value. They should have just stuck with the ap rankings and had the 4 college playoff. No need to involve people like c. Rice to this. It's absurd. That is why these rankings are so shallow.

But then again, you might not get in if you applied now.

And the most frustrating thing is that the TCU president who hired (promoted) fatterson and believed they should put more emphasis on fball is an SMU graduate. How ironic!

Oldmins wrote:

Mustangs_Maroons wrote:

Oldmins wrote:
not to derail this further but that didn't pass the smell test. With a quick google I found This is for their incoming freshman class only but for their undergrad (all four years) it's still over 60% Texas amd was over 70% Texas for decades. They finally realized that more diversity would help and now they're trying to overcompensate.

When I was applying I did view tcu as a large community college but that was in the mid 90s.

Still wouldnt have applied now. Overall quality of their students is not very good.

Back to football, I think the playoff committee is a joke. It adds no value. They should have just stuck with the ap rankings and had the 4 college playoff. No need to involve people like c. Rice to this. It's absurd. That is why these rankings are so shallow.

But then again, you might not get in if you applied now.

Felt I had to respond because you are so misinformed and delusional with regards to how tcu is as an academic school. With their SAT scores even now that are standard deviations below what I scored (plus having a 4.0 gpa in hs)? I highly doubt it.

redpony wrote:And the most frustrating thing is that the TCU president who hired (promoted) fatterson and believed they should put more emphasis on fball is an SMU graduate. How ironic!

Who are you talking about? Bill Tucker? Mick Ferrari? Victor Boschini? They would be surprised!

No the person I am thinking of is Bill Koehler. IIRC he was a chemistry prof. at TCU and was later promoted to President.

redpony wrote:No the person I am thinking of is Bill Koehler. IIRC he was a chemistry prof. at TCU and was later promoted to President.

Koehler was never president. Vice-chancellor.

He was the first Provost.
Here is some info from a TCU mag about his retirement etc.

Koehler also played a major role in strengthening the management and effectiveness of TCU athletics, almost unheard of among university academic officers. When the Southwest Conference disbanded in 1995, he was a leader in charting a plan to revitalize the athletic program, hiring key administrators and helping attract top-notch coaches.

"We have some outstanding administrators and coaches because Bill Koehler had a vision of a nationally respected Division I-A athletics program and worked to fulfill it," says Athletics Director Eric Hyman.

Koehler was the bridge between the academic and athletic communities. "TCU doesn't have two campuses -- one for athletics and one for academics," Munson says. "We have one campus. That's special. Not everybody has that, and Bill Koehler accomplished that."

Timeline of Dr. Koehler’s career
• 1960: Graduated from Southern Methodist University
• 1962: Received M.S. degree in physical chemistry from SMU
• 1968: Earned Ph.D. in inorganic chemistry from UT-Austin
• 1969: Joined TCU faculty as an assistant professor of chemistry
• 1976: Became director of TCU’s Office of Research and Sponsored Projects
• 1977: Promoted to Associate Dean for Graduate Studies and Research
• 1980: President of the TCU Research Foundation
• 1980: Became the Vice Chancellor for Academic Affairs
• 1994: Added title of Provost

redpony wrote:He was the first Provost.
Here is some info from a TCU mag about his retirement etc.

Koehler also played a major role in strengthening the management and effectiveness of TCU athletics, almost unheard of among university academic officers. When the Southwest Conference disbanded in 1995, he was a leader in charting a plan to revitalize the athletic program, hiring key administrators and helping attract top-notch coaches.

"We have some outstanding administrators and coaches because Bill Koehler had a vision of a nationally respected Division I-A athletics program and worked to fulfill it," says Athletics Director Eric Hyman.

Koehler was the bridge between the academic and athletic communities. "TCU doesn't have two campuses -- one for athletics and one for academics," Munson says. "We have one campus. That's special. Not everybody has that, and Bill Koehler accomplished that."

Timeline of Dr. Koehler’s career
• 1960: Graduated from Southern Methodist University
• 1962: Received M.S. degree in physical chemistry from SMU
• 1968: Earned Ph.D. in inorganic chemistry from UT-Austin
• 1969: Joined TCU faculty as an assistant professor of chemistry
• 1976: Became director of TCU’s Office of Research and Sponsored Projects
• 1977: Promoted to Associate Dean for Graduate Studies and Research
• 1980: President of the TCU Research Foundation
• 1980: Became the Vice Chancellor for Academic Affairs
• 1994: Added title of Provost

Great info. Explains quite clearly the current direction of both schools. Leadership & a coordinated vision sorely lacking for many years in Dallas. Does SMU have any vision for a nationally respected Division 1-A athletics program?

Mustangs_Maroons wrote:Still wouldnt have applied now. Overall quality of their students is not very good.

FroggieFever wrote:

Mustangs_Maroons wrote:Still wouldnt have applied now. Overall quality of their students is not very good.

I said I wouldn't have applied. Factual statement. Quality of students at tcu is behind rice, trinity, smu, ut, also behind baylor, and probably even or slightly less than a&m. But whatever, stats don't mean anything.

in terms of football, no doubt tcu is riding high right now.

Have to pay attention to someone who says he graduated from High School with a 4.0 grade average. High point in life, up to this moment, I guess.

Oldmins wrote:Have to pay attention to someone who says he graduated from High School with a 4.0 grade average. High point in life, up to this moment, I guess.