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Digetydog wrote: More likely outcome: he adds 10-15 3-4 star players to our current commits.
Digetydog wrote:
I remember Margus winning a Bowl game for us by making the other team's right tackle curl up in a fetal position. How many games did he win by blocking kicks?
Boise State is in the Top 25 again. While they got 2 4 stars last year, their team is full of 2-3 star players. Their starting QB had 1 offer.
The difference: Boise State runs a modern offense and knows how to maximize production from players. June did neither.
StallionsModelT wrote:footballdad wrote:SMU21TCU10 wrote:He has a lot of QB's taking up space that are not going to fit into his offense.
Colbert and Davis would be the only dual threats we have. Is Severt a runner?
It would be great for us if June, or some of the other coaches, got jobs elsewhere, and a lot of players/commits follow them.
Severt is literally a clone of Gilbert. Nearly identical size and similar athletic ability. Morris, being very, very familiar with Gilbert and his skills, should be able to make a quick evaluation of Severt to determine whether or not he warrants reps in his scheme.
Severt had exactly zero offers except SMU out of high school.
Rebel10 wrote:Bottom line is that June's teams stopped winning when the talent level went down. They were going to bowl games with Junes offense but once the talent level dropped we could have been running the best offensive system in the world and not won.
sbsmith wrote:Digetydog wrote:
I remember Margus winning a Bowl game for us by making the other team's right tackle curl up in a fetal position. How many games did he win by blocking kicks?
Boise State is in the Top 25 again. While they got 2 4 stars last year, their team is full of 2-3 star players. Their starting QB had 1 offer.
The difference: Boise State runs a modern offense and knows how to maximize production from players. June did neither.
Margus topped out at 8 wins with no conference titles or national rankings, ask yourself why we didn't win more and why our record versus winning teams was so abysmal during his time here. Boise State is an extreme outlier, you recruit like they do and you're far more likely to end up in the outhouse than in the penthouse. The G5 record versus the P5 this season is 12-94, ask yourself why that is and if you really believe that stars don't matter.
footballdad wrote:Rebel10 wrote:Bottom line is that June's teams stopped winning when the talent level went down. They were going to bowl games with Junes offense but once the talent level dropped we could have been running the best offensive system in the world and not won.
Not sure why you're hammering the analogy to Boise because their model, very similar to the old TCU model, is exactly what we should be hoping for from Morris. We are still SMU, from the non-P5, AAC conference. We are still going to have a difficult time competing against the Big 12 schools in Texas for the 4 star commits, but a class full of 3 stars with offers, combined with Morris' scheme, should be enough to win the AAC, avoid blowouts against highly ranked teams, and possibly wiggle our way into the lower levels of the Top 25, ala UCF & ECU.
footballdad wrote:Rebel10 wrote:Bottom line is that June's teams stopped winning when the talent level went down. They were going to bowl games with Junes offense but once the talent level dropped we could have been running the best offensive system in the world and not won.
Not sure why you're hammering the analogy to Boise because their model, very similar to the old TCU model, is exactly what we should be hoping for from Morris. We are still SMU, from the non-P5, AAC conference. We are still going to have a difficult time competing against the Big 12 schools in Texas for the 4 star commits, but a class full of 3 stars with offers, combined with Morris' scheme, should be enough to win the AAC, avoid blowouts against highly ranked teams, and possibly wiggle our way into the lower levels of the Top 25, ala UCF & ECU.
Digetydog wrote:footballdad wrote:Rebel10 wrote:Bottom line is that June's teams stopped winning when the talent level went down. They were going to bowl games with Junes offense but once the talent level dropped we could have been running the best offensive system in the world and not won.
Not sure why you're hammering the analogy to Boise because their model, very similar to the old TCU model, is exactly what we should be hoping for from Morris. We are still SMU, from the non-P5, AAC conference. We are still going to have a difficult time competing against the Big 12 schools in Texas for the 4 star commits, but a class full of 3 stars with offers, combined with Morris' scheme, should be enough to win the AAC, avoid blowouts against highly ranked teams, and possibly wiggle our way into the lower levels of the Top 25, ala UCF & ECU.
TCU is the right model. As late as 2009, they were still forced to take 2-star guys.
But, every year of success eventually led to the Rose Bowl and the B12. They used that success to get 3 stars then 4 stars. Now, they get to beat up Texas on Thanksgiving Day.
blackoutpony wrote:I was bored over the weekend, so I put this together while hiding from my family and drinking beer. Below is a full list of what next years roster is (as of now) and the players ranking out of high school along with their FBS/ P5 offers.
A few Notes....
1. All the rankings and offers came from rivals.
2. Graduating players were left off, since I'm trying to show what Morris actually has.
3. I tried to change all the years that they players will be, but may have messed up a few with red shirts and such (I wasn't always watching the garbage time during games and am too lazy to look at the participation sheets)
4. I did not include SMU offers in the total offers number
5. I'm really looking at other offers for the players, because as Stallion has said 2 billion times, it really does show what other coaches think about their ability to play at an FBS level as opposed to rivals or scout guys.
6. Please let me know if there are any mistakes and I'll change it up asap.
7. I can't seem to get the spacing the way I want it, so sorry it's a little hard to read.....
Now for some things that stuck out to me....
1. My goodness this team is devoid of talent. There are 88 players on the roster for next year as of now and 48 of those had no other FBS offers. No other college coach thought 55% of our roster deserved to play FBS football.
2. The top offer getter at each position on offense (Davis, Gresham, Gains, Myers) had a total of 65 offers. The rest of the offense only had 46. WOW.
3. 10 out of 18 Offensive Lineman had no other offers and only Seaver Myers had more than two. No wonder it looks like swiss cheese on Saturdays....
4. 7/14 D Line with no other offers....
5. JR Richardson had the same number of P5 offers as the rest of the DB's combined... Which is 2 total.
6. The tiki QB guru recruits out of high school totaled 3 other offers (no P5) and all 3 were from Burcham.
7. Yenga had 5 offers and the rest of the linebackers combined had 6.
This is going to be a tough rebuild. Coach Morris is going to need some time here, because there really just isn't much to work with at all. It's gonna suck, but we need to be patient.
Quarterbacks
Neal Burcham RS JR 6-3/213 3*, FBS Offers – 3, P5 Offers – 0
Kolney Cassel RS SO 6-2/192 3*, FBS Offers – 0, P5 Offers – 0
Darrell Colbert RS FR 5-10/197 3*, FBS Offers – 0, P5 Offers – 0
Matt Davis RS JR 6-0/214 4*, FBS Offers - 19, P5 Offers – 17
Austin Kent RS SO 6-6/221 NR, FBS Offers – 0, P5 Offers – 0
Garrett Krstich RS SR 6-3/199 NR, FBS Offers – 0, P5 Offers – 0
Jordan Severt RS FR 6-4/248 2*, FBS Offers – 0, P5 Offers – 0
Running Backs
Darius Durall SO 5-9/178 2*, FBS Offers – 0, P5 Offers – 0
Daniel Gresham RS FR 5-9/234 3*, FBS Offers – 16, P5 Offers - 14
Prescott Line RS JR 6-0/228 3*, FBS Offers – 1, P5 Offers – 0
K.C. Nlemchi RS SR 6-0/225 3*, FBS Offers – 4, P5 Offers – 2
Luke Seeker RS SR 5-11/200 NR, FBS Offers – 0, P5 Offers – 0
Wide Receivers
Anthony Buffini RS JR 5-11/185 NR, FBS Offers – 0, P5 Offers – 0
Jeremiah Gaines JR 6-2/230 3*, FBS Offers – 17, P5 Offers - 11
Nate Halverson JR 5-10/183 2*, FBS Offers – 0, P5 Offers – 0
Jordan Ingram SO 5-10/163 2*, FBS Offers – 3, P5 Offers – 1
Darius Joseph RS SR 6-0/190 3*, FBS Offers – 0, P5 Offers – 0
Cedric Lancaster RS SO 5-9/169 3*, FBS Offers – 1, P5 Offers – 0
Ryheem Malone SO 5-9/170 2*, FBS Offers – 2, P5 Offers – 0
Justin Musser RS SO 6-2/207 NR, FBS Offers – 0, P5 Offers – 0
Deion Sanders Jr JR 5-7/183 2*, FBS Offers – 1, P5 Offers – 0
Aaron Stafford RS SR 5-9/164 NR, FBS Offers – 0, P5 Offers – 0
Daijuan Stewart RS JR 5-9/173 3*, FBS Offers – 9, P5 Offers – 2
Courtland Sutton SO 6-3/220 3*, FBS Offers – 8, P5 Offers – 2
Shelby Walker SO 6-0/147 2*, FBS Offers – 4, P5 Offers – 1
Offensive Line
Bozidar Antunovic SR 6-5/279 NR, FBS Offers – 0, P5 Offers – 0
Nicholas Avantino RS FR 6-2/225 NR, FBS Offers – 0, P5 Offers – 0
William Barns SO 6-2/279 2*, FBS Offers – 0, P5 Offers – 0
Chauncey Briggs RS JR 6-5/300 2*, FBS Offers – 0, P5 Offers – 0
Evan Brown SO 6-2/309 2*, FBS Offers – 1, P5 Offers – 0
Christian Chamagua RS JR 6-6/294 2*, FBS Offers – 2, P5 Offers – 0
Travis Fister RS SO 6-3/259 2*, FBS Offers – 1, P5 Offers – 0
Christian Holloway RS JR 6-4/265 3*, FBS Offers – 1, P5 Offers – 0
Braylon Hyder RS FR 6-2/330 2*, FBS Offers – 0, P5 Offers – 0
Taylor Lasecki RS SR 6-3/300 3*, FBS Offers – 0, P5 Offers – 0
Daniel McCarty JR 6-4/277 2*, FBS Offers – 1, P5 Offers – 0
Seaver Myers RS JR 6-5/298 3*, FBS Offers – 13, P5 Offers – 5
Nick Natour RS FR 6-5/296 2*, FBS Offers – 2, P5 Offers – 0
Chad Pursley RS FR 6-5/260 2*, FBS Offers – 0, P5 Offers – 0
Taylor Reich RS SR 6-6/316 2*, FBS Offers – 2, P5 Offers – 0
Tony Richards RS FR 6-5/240 2*, FBS Offers – 0, P5 Offers – 0
Jarrett Spencer RS SR 6-4/258 2*, FBS Offers – 0, P5 Offers – 0
Kris Weeks RS SR 6-5/310 3*, FBS Offers – 0, P5 Offers – 0
Defensive Line
Spencer Conley RS SR 6-4/260 NR, FBS Offers – 0, P5 Offers – 0
Michael Epley RS FR 6-2/250 2*, FBS Offers – 1, P5 Offers – 0
Mason Gentry RS SO 6-6/250 2*, FBS Offers – 0, P5 Offers – 0
Spencer Hollie RS SO 6-4/338 2*, FBS Offers – 0, P5 Offers – 0
Justin Lawler RS SO 6-4/259 2*, FBS Offers – 2, P5 Offers – 0
Andy McCleneghen RS SR 6-5/257 NR, FBS Offers – 0, P5 Offers – 0
Zelt Minor JR 6-2/276 3*, FBS Offers – 6, P5 Offers – 2
Elie Nabushosi RS JR 6-4/246 2*, FBS Offers – 0, P5 Offers – 0
Jarvis Pruitt RS JR 6-3/246 2*, FBS Offers – 1, P5 Offers – 0
Nick Reed RS JR 6-0/295 2*, FBS Offers – 1, P5 Offers – 0
Gareth Riley-Ayers RS SR 5-11/279 NR, FBS Offers – 0, P5 Offers – 0
Jerry Saena RS SO 6-5/327 2*, FBS Offers – 0, P5 Offers – 0
Cameron Smith RS SR 6-2/245 3*, FBS Offers – 10, P5 Offers – 3
Zach Wood RS SR 6-3/262 3*, FBS Offers – 8, P5 Offers – 2
Linebackers
Carlos Carroll RS SO 6-2/224 2*, FBS Offers – 1, P5 Offers – 0
RC Cox RS FR 6-0/210 NR, FBS Offers – 0, P5 Offers – 0
Dylan Dickman RS SO 6-0/228 NR, FBS Offers – 0, P5 Offers – 0
Nick Horton JR 6-2/240 2*, FBS Offers – 2, P5 Offers – 0
Derek Longoria SR 6-1/216 3*, FBS Offers – 0, P5 Offers – 0
Jackson Mitchell JR 6-1/215 NR, FBS Offers – 0, P5 Offers – 0
Kyran Mitchell RS FR 5-11/207 2*, FBS Offers – 1, P5 Offers – 0
Inoke Ngalo RS FR 5-11/218 2*, FBS Offers – 2, P5 Offers – 0
Anthony Rhone SO 6-0/215 2*, FBS Offers – 0, P5 Offers – 0
Robert Seals RS SR 6-3/230 2*, FBS Offers – 0, P5 Offers – 0
Ben Sellers RS SR 6-2/220 NR, FBS Offers – 0, P5 Offers – 0
Caleb Tuiasosopo SR 6-2/258 NR, FBS Offers – 0, P5 Offers – 0
Jeremy White RS FR 5-10/202 NR, FBS Offers – 0, P5 Offers – 0
Jonathan Yenga RS SR 6-2/209 3*, FBS Offers – 5, P5 Offers – 2
Defensive Backs
Cayman Carter RS SO 6-0/200 NR, FBS Offers – 0, P5 Offers – 0
Troy Castle RS SR 5-11/193 NR, FBS Offers – 0, P5 Offers – 0
Myles Crosby RS SO 6-3/204 2*, FBS Offers – 0, P5 Offers – 0
William Jeanlys SO 6-1/172 2*, FBS Offers – 1, P5 Offers – 0
A.J. Justice RS JR 6-1/210 3*, FBS Offers – 3, P5 Offers – 1
Collin LaGasse RS JR 5-9/201 3*, FBS Offers – 4, P5 Offers – 0
Ajee Montes RS JR 5-11/193 2*, FBS Offers – 1, P5 Offers – 0
Jesse Montgomery RS SO 6-1/182 2*, FBS Offers – 0, P5 Offers – 0
Shakiel Randolph SR 6-4/210 3*, FBS Offers – 2, P5 Offers – 0
Darrion Richardson JR 6-0/196 2*, FBS Offers – 5, P5 Offers – 0
Horace Richardson RS JR 5-11/197 3*, FBS Offers – 0, P5 Offers – 0
J.R. Richardson RS SR 5-10/177 3*, FBS Offers – 5, P5 Offers – 2
Trey Washington RS SO 6-0/160 2*, FBS Offers – 0, P5 Offers – 0
Jordan Wyatt SO 6-0/179 2*, FBS Offers – 3, P5 Offers – 1
Kickers/ Punters
Daniel Chaparro RS JR 6-0/193 NR, FBS Offers – 0, P5 Offers – 0
Colton Gier RS FR 5-10/174 NR, FBS Offers – 0, P5 Offers – 0
Jackson Koonce SO 6-1/167 NR, FBS Offers – 0, P5 Offers – 0
Digetydog wrote:We won games because Margus and Gilbert covered up June's failure as a coach. They were that good.
Nobody is suggesting we should continue to recruit poorly. It certainly doesn't help things. We just realize that there is no quick fix to the current roster.
sbsmith wrote:Digetydog wrote:We won games because Margus and Gilbert covered up June's failure as a coach. They were that good.
Nobody is suggesting we should continue to recruit poorly. It certainly doesn't help things. We just realize that there is no quick fix to the current roster.
No they really weren't that good nor were their teammates which is why we won virtually nothing of consequence with them. When the talent level dropped even further we won nothing at all. You're right about there being no quick fix to the roster, after all Morris is a football coach not a magician. It'll take time for him to fill this roster with legitimate FBS players so we'll have to take our lumps for a little while longer while we catch up.
StallionsModelT wrote:footballdad wrote:SMU21TCU10 wrote:He has a lot of QB's taking up space that are not going to fit into his offense.
Colbert and Davis would be the only dual threats we have. Is Severt a runner?
It would be great for us if June, or some of the other coaches, got jobs elsewhere, and a lot of players/commits follow them.
Severt is literally a clone of Gilbert. Nearly identical size and similar athletic ability. Morris, being very, very familiar with Gilbert and his skills, should be able to make a quick evaluation of Severt to determine whether or not he warrants reps in his scheme.
Severt had exactly zero offers except SMU out of high school.