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All you TCU sympathizers are like Stockholm Syndrome sufferers. What's wrong with you? They are our rival, even though they have left us in the dust. I will always be a loyal Mustang and root against our enemy! As a fan base, we can't even hate our rival right. Geez.

Has ZERO to due with being a TCU fan. Zero. Has everything to due with understanding all of the implications.

SMU2007 wrote:I agree that it is best for smu if tcu has national success. They are the blueprint after all

They WERE a blue print. There is this thing called the Power 5 and then this other thing called the Group of 5.

CoxMustangFan wrote:Has ZERO to due with being a TCU fan. Zero. Has everything to due with understanding all of the implications.

Which you apparently don't.

Look, I don't care. You are entitled to your opinion. We are in serious need of an overhaul of our entire athletic existence.

The OSU pick over Baylor/TCU had much more to do with its performance yesterday and the Big 10 having a championship game, than the fact the Texas schools happen to be private. Every team in the playoff won a conference championship game. That made it easy for their coaches and commissioners to share a coordinated pitch to the committee. OSU beat a ranked team 59-0 in a neutral site game.

The solution for the Big 12 is to add teams and have a championship game. Had Bayor or TCU played OU or KSU at AT&T Stadium for the conference championship, the committee's decision would have been much more difficult. Instead, both teams were at the mercy of their schedules - TCU had no chance to impress getting stuck playing ISU and Baylor got to play a quality opponent, but it was a home game and wasn't as impressive as a neutral site win like OSU's.

So, I think what happened helps SMU. The Big 12 has to add teams to get a championship game. Will they add us? Probably not, but there are no obvious candidates. We have a solid hoops team; we have the donors to make the financial commitment to football few if any teams outside of the Power 5 can match and we just flexed that power by landing Coach Morris; and we are a decent academic school in Dallas making us more attractive than some of the other options. I think the interesting thing to watch in the aftermath of this season is whether the Big 12 decides to expand or whether UT and OU start looking at moving to the P12 or SEC because I think neither expected to be afterthoughts to Baylor or TCU when they saved those schools from obscurity in the last realignment.

93Mustang wrote:The OSU pick over Baylor/TCU had much more to do with its performance yesterday and the Big 10 having a championship game, than the fact the Texas schools happen to be private. Every team in the playoff won a conference championship game. That made it easy for their coaches and commissioners to share a coordinated pitch to the committee. OSU beat a ranked team 59-0 in a neutral site game.

The solution for the Big 12 is to add teams and have a championship game. Had Bayor or TCU played OU or KSU at AT&T Stadium for the conference championship, the committee's decision would have been much more difficult. Instead, both teams were at the mercy of their schedules - TCU had no chance to impress getting stuck playing ISU and Baylor got to play a quality opponent, but it was a home game and wasn't as impressive as a neutral site win like OSU's.

So, I think what happened helps SMU. The Big 12 has to add teams to get a championship game. Will they add us? Probably not, but there are no obvious candidates. We have a solid hoops team; we have the donors to make the financial commitment to football few if any teams outside of the Power 5 can match and we just flexed that power by landing Coach Morris; and we are a decent academic school in Dallas making us more attractive than some of the other options. I think the interesting thing to watch in the aftermath of this season is whether the Big 12 decides to expand or whether UT and OU start looking at moving to the P12 or SEC because I think neither expected to be afterthoughts to Baylor or TCU when they saved those schools from obscurity in the last realignment.

You are wise

93Mustang wrote:The OSU pick over Baylor/TCU had much more to do with its performance yesterday and the Big 10 having a championship game, than the fact the Texas schools happen to be private. Every team in the playoff won a conference championship game. That made it easy for their coaches and commissioners to share a coordinated pitch to the committee. OSU beat a ranked team 59-0 in a neutral site game.

The solution for the Big 12 is to add teams and have a championship game. Had Bayor or TCU played OU or KSU at AT&T Stadium for the conference championship, the committee's decision would have been much more difficult. Instead, both teams were at the mercy of their schedules - TCU had no chance to impress getting stuck playing ISU and Baylor got to play a quality opponent, but it was a home game and wasn't as impressive as a neutral site win like OSU's.

So, I think what happened helps SMU. The Big 12 has to add teams to get a championship game. Will they add us? Probably not, but there are no obvious candidates. We have a solid hoops team; we have the donors to make the financial commitment to football few if any teams outside of the Power 5 can match and we just flexed that power by landing Coach Morris; and we are a decent academic school in Dallas making us more attractive than some of the other options. I think the interesting thing to watch in the aftermath of this season is whether the Big 12 decides to expand or whether UT and OU start looking at moving to the P12 or SEC because I think neither expected to be afterthoughts to Baylor or TCU when they saved those schools from obscurity in the last realignment.

Read Bowlsby's comments on ESPN.com and he states they may have to expand. I think SMU to the Big XII is a pipe dream, other than it is another win for everyone....at this point.

Sorry but I don't think this is a public vs private problem or tradition vs no tradition.

Simply put OSU played lights out against a quality Wisconsin team and had multiple quality wins. Big 10 wasn't the greatest but neither was the Big 12.

If TCU or Baylor were undefeated then they would be in. Period.

So I think the best 4 teams made it in and the system worked. However, I am in favor of an 8 team playoff to let these schools with a blemish play and see if they are for real against other big time programs. Plus it is the only conceivable way SMU gets in from the AAC.

CoxMustangFan wrote:Has ZERO to due with being a TCU fan. Zero. Has everything to due with understanding all of the implications.

I don't understand why this is so hard for people to comprehend. It's not like I cheer for tcu against the mustangs, but them sucking in the big 12 is only going to prove to everyone that elite football is for powerhouse schools who regularly draw 90-100k to each game.

Yes they are p5 and we are not. Which is all the more reason to realize that we are no longer in direct competition with them and they are no longer truly our rival in the traditional sense.

Best case scenario for us is to get our act together and start being competitive against the big boys. Start knocking off some ranked teams someday and actually show that we could compete in a real conference. Then point to the "hey, tcu did it. Why not us?"

The fact that they are being forced to add sooner than later is actually bad for SMU. Unfortunately, we need at least five more years, and the Big XII will not wait that long.

There's no way an AAC team ever makes the 4 team playoff. EVER. Not a prayer.

LA_Mustang wrote:The fact that they are being forced to add sooner than later is actually bad for SMU. Unfortunately, we need at least five more years, and the Big XII will not wait that long.

Agree

They do not suck (at least in the sense that they are bad at football). They are BIg 12 co-champs.

SMU2007 wrote:There's no way an AAC team ever makes the 4 team playoff. EVER. Not a prayer.

Agreed, but not sure where this is being argued.

I would not be surprised if they make a move this spring. They cannot afford to have this happen again.