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Re: So, How did we do?
Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 12:50 pm
by PlanoStang
Mustangs35SMU wrote:PlanoStang wrote:PB, and JJ's first classes. JJ probably had about 9 days.
PB tried to recruit, and JJ reaped the rewards of Bennett's doing after the first season.
Morris came into a situation where JJ literally could not care less about recruiting...and turned one of our worst recruiting classes ever into one that will be setting a foundation for future years.
You're absolutely insane if you can't see that.
JJ reaped the rewards of this stellar last 4 years of Bennett's "all in...or out" recruiting:
SMU TCU
2002 #69 #80
2003 #62 #69
2004 #144 #89
2005 #82 #54
2006 #110 #60
2007 #99 #81
As far as foundations go, I don't like houses with a basement.
BTW, JJ's worn out from coaching, and probably won't be doing that any time soon.
Re: So, How did we do?
Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 12:54 pm
by Stallion
June Jones can't get a job-both he and his agent have been begging to even get telephone interviews.
Re: So, How did we do?
Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 12:55 pm
by GreenbeltPony
PlanoStang wrote:Mustangs35SMU wrote:PlanoStang wrote:PB, and JJ's first classes. JJ probably had about 9 days.
PB tried to recruit, and JJ reaped the rewards of Bennett's doing after the first season.
Morris came into a situation where JJ literally could not care less about recruiting...and turned one of our worst recruiting classes ever into one that will be setting a foundation for future years.
You're absolutely insane if you can't see that.
JJ reaped the rewards of this stellar last 4 years of Bennett's "all in...or out" recruiting:
SMU TCU
2002 #69 #80
2003 #62 #69
2004 #144 #89
2005 #82 #54
2006 #110 #60
2007 #99 #81
As far as foundations go, I don't like houses with a basement.
BTW, JJ's worn out from coaching, and probably won't be doing that any time soon.
What exactly are you trying to prove/state here?
And JJ's been "worn out" since 2011 and the ASU Fiasco:
2011 #50 #26
2012 #90 #37
2013 #71 #30
2014 #99 #50
Re: So, How did we do?
Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 12:59 pm
by ponyte
Stallion wrote:Forest Gregg and Tom Rossley were in the SWC-they were horrible recruiters with horrible recruiting staffs too. This is the first time since the 1980s that SMU hired the type of staff that can be successful on the recruiting trail. This is the first staff to hit the recruiting trail the way the rest of the recruiting staffs in Texas recruit
Listening to Morris when he is talking about recruiting reminds me of Meyer. Meyer could recruit. He just had it. And it appears to me Morris ,too, can recruit. Not the same as Meyer but still a recruiter.
Meyer didn't have the gorgeous campus the Morris has now. Meyer didn't have the strong academics Morris has now. Meyer certainly didn't have first class facilities like Morris has now. Meyer did have a crummy football record his first year just like Morris. And both used vision to sell kids on SMU that first few years. So they both had to be able to sell their vision and both seem able to do that.
Re: So, How did we do?
Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:06 pm
by jimhagle
ponyte wrote:Stallion wrote:Forest Gregg and Tom Rossley were in the SWC-they were horrible recruiters with horrible recruiting staffs too. This is the first time since the 1980s that SMU hired the type of staff that can be successful on the recruiting trail. This is the first staff to hit the recruiting trail the way the rest of the recruiting staffs in Texas recruit
Listening to Morris when he is talking about recruiting reminds me of Meyer. Meyer could recruit. He just had it. And it appears to me Morris ,too, can recruit. Not the same as Meyer but still a recruiter.
Meyer didn't have the gorgeous campus the Morris has now. Meyer didn't have the strong academics Morris has now. Meyer certainly didn't have first class facilities like Morris has now. Meyer did have a crummy football record his first year just like Morris. And both used vision to sell kids on SMU that first few years. So they both had to be able to sell their vision and both seem able to do that.
Very well stated.
Re: So, How did we do?
Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:13 pm
by PlanoStang
PlanoStang wrote:Mustangs35SMU wrote:PlanoStang wrote:PB, and JJ's first classes. JJ probably had about 9 days.
PB tried to recruit, and JJ reaped the rewards of Bennett's doing after the first season.
Morris came into a situation where JJ literally could not care less about recruiting...and turned one of our worst recruiting classes ever into one that will be setting a foundation for future years.
You're absolutely insane if you can't see that.
JJ reaped the rewards of this stellar last 4 years of Bennett's "all in...or out" recruiting:
SMU TCU
2002 #69 #80
2003 #62 #69
2004 #144 #89
2005 #82 #54
2006 #110 #60
2007 #99 #81
As far as foundations go, I don't like houses with a basement.
BTW, JJ's worn out from coaching, and probably won't be doing that any time soon.
What exactly are you trying to prove/state here?
And JJ's been "worn out" since 2011 and the ASU Fiasco:
2011 #50 #26
2012 #90 #37
2013 #71 #30
2014 #99 #50
It all boils down to we won't be able to recruit in football with the big dogs until we establish a
winning tradition. All I've said is that HCCM needs to show X's O's / coaching talent along with
the energy he showed in recruiting to be successful
#81 ranked recruiting classes won't cut
it
Like Bennett the shine will wear off in 2 or 3 years, and we'll get #144, #110, and #99 all
over again.
JJ had it started with the bowl seasons, and a #50 recruiting ranking in 2011. Then it collapsed
with the ASU fiasco
Re: So, How did we do?
Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:50 pm
by Nacho
chad doesn't have sherwood.
which i guess is a good thing.
Re: So, How did we do?
Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:51 pm
by SoCal_Pony
Stallion wrote:Forest Gregg and Tom Rossley were in the SWC-they were horrible recruiters with horrible recruiting staffs too. This is the first time since the 1980s that SMU hired the type of staff that can be successful on the recruiting trail. This is the first staff to hit the recruiting trail the way the rest of the recruiting staffs in Texas recruit
I have been following SMU football for now close to 50 years.
I agree with your assertions, they are dead on, although 'maybe' Rossley would have been a better recruiter had both his arms not been tied behind his back. He certainly isn't in Morris' league though.
This is the most optimistic I've been since my own college days at SMU.
Re: So, How did we do?
Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:54 pm
by SoCal_Pony
ponyte wrote:Stallion wrote:Forest Gregg and Tom Rossley were in the SWC-they were horrible recruiters with horrible recruiting staffs too. This is the first time since the 1980s that SMU hired the type of staff that can be successful on the recruiting trail. This is the first staff to hit the recruiting trail the way the rest of the recruiting staffs in Texas recruit
Listening to Morris when he is talking about recruiting reminds me of Meyer. Meyer could recruit. He just had it. And it appears to me Morris ,too, can recruit. Not the same as Meyer but still a recruiter.
Meyer didn't have the gorgeous campus the Morris has now. Meyer didn't have the strong academics Morris has now. Meyer certainly didn't have first class facilities like Morris has now. Meyer did have a crummy football record his first year just like Morris. And both used vision to sell kids on SMU that first few years. So they both had to be able to sell their vision and both seem able to do that.
Meyer had Mustang Mania, Morris needs his own version.
Re: So, How did we do?
Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 2:13 pm
by Nacho
Re: So, How did we do?
Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 2:17 pm
by ponyboy
That's just west of 94. Maybe we can get him to go check it out.
Re: So, How did we do?
Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 4:01 pm
by smupony94
30 minutes from me. Will have to check it out
Re: So, How did we do?
Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2015 7:57 am
by ozfan
ponyte wrote:Stallion wrote:Forest Gregg and Tom Rossley were in the SWC-they were horrible recruiters with horrible recruiting staffs too. This is the first time since the 1980s that SMU hired the type of staff that can be successful on the recruiting trail. This is the first staff to hit the recruiting trail the way the rest of the recruiting staffs in Texas recruit
Listening to Morris when he is talking about recruiting reminds me of Meyer. Meyer could recruit. He just had it. And it appears to me Morris ,too, can recruit. Not the same as Meyer but still a recruiter.
Meyer didn't have the gorgeous campus the Morris has now. Meyer didn't have the strong academics Morris has now. Meyer certainly didn't have first class facilities like Morris has now. Meyer did have a crummy football record his first year just like Morris. And both used vision to sell kids on SMU that first few years. So they both had to be able to sell their vision and both seem able to do that.
Meyer also had a bit of payroll to help. But so did a few other teams.
Re: So, How did we do?
Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2015 8:12 am
by couch 'em
ponyinNC wrote:Planostang has officially taken the title as the DUMBEST poster on this site. Congrats to you sir -- That really is quite an accomplishment.
He has displaced the longtime champion - whoever it was that we should share the Bush Library with U of Dallas.
He doesn't understand the importance of the assistant coaching staff.
Re: So, How did we do?
Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2015 8:59 am
by No Quarter
Its a small point, but I'd take exception to something ponyte said and jimhagle quoted about Meyer not having a nice campus. I remember readinge that Meyer said something like "...being in Dallas and with a beautiful campus..." SMU was the jewel of the SWC. I don't recall now if that was printed in a Dallas paper or DCTF. Certainly he was not referring to the football facilities on campus then, but aside from that I agreed. I liked the campus before Meyer came, when I was a student, and I liked it in Pony Express days and I like it now.