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JasonB wrote:

couch 'em wrote:

JasonB wrote:. Although Bennett certainly had a sprinkling of above average players, his last 3 recruiting classes were rated way, way lower than any of Jones' classes by the recruiting services and the foundation wasn't there.

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This cannot stand without being fact-checked. I'll leave it to Stallion because it'll have to be adjusted totals for apples to apples comparison. Is this remotely accurate?

Go fact check me on Rivals . For Bennett's last three years or 3 of 4 we are in the 100s in recruiting rankings, while under June we were above 100 every year, sometimes well above 100. Of course for both of them you probably have to go beyond that and try and figure out who actually got into school and played .

Nobody is arguing that June put a lot of effort into recruiting. But he did pull in better recruits than Bennett did for the average player. Even after the Bennett recruits were out of here, June's W-L record was still better, and against better competition in a better conference. Again, not saying it was anywhere near where we wanted it to be.

Got these recruiting rankings off of Rivals last February.

SMU TCU

2002 #69 #80
2003 #62 #69
2004 #144 #89
2005 #82 #54
2006 #110 #60
2007 #99 #81

2008 #91 #97
2009 #81 #46
2010 #76 #46
2011 #50 #26
2012 #90 #37
2013 #71 #30
2014 #99 #50

2015 #74 #31

Mestengo wrote:I remember sitting at that Memphis hotel bar with his DB coach when I asked him how recruiting was going he just laughed at me said he was too old to recruit

This isn't here say or just an attitude this was reality

Wow...2011 I assume?

PlanoStang wrote:Got these recruiting rankings off of Rivals last February.

SMU TCU

2002 #69 #80
2003 #62 #69
2004 #144 #89
2005 #82 #54
2006 #110 #60
2007 #99 #81

2008 #91 #97
2009 #81 #46
2010 #76 #46
2011 #50 #26
2012 #90 #37
2013 #71 #30
2014 #99 #50

2015 #74 #31

That's Bennett 94 and Jones 80 on average.

One of those classes (2011) is skewed by that 4 star who never even signed with us. Davon Moreland

again the 2004 Rivals rating of 145 was a computer glitch-he keeps posting it even when Iprove that it was

second you can't compare TCU's recruiting ranking in Total Points to most other schools because in many of those years TCU signed only about 18 recruits when other schools were signing 25+. Some of those small classes were TCU's best classes, You've got to also compare Average per Recruit.

the fact is TCU has donkey punched SMU in recruiting every year for the last 27 years with the possible exception of one year. Recruiting numbers sometimes lie especially when you are comparing big classes to small classes.

Further all Rivals classes between 2008 -2012 can't be compared to other classes in other years because of rampant grade inflation

PerunasHoof wrote:One of those classes (2011) is skewed by that 4 star who never even signed with us. Davon Moreland

He also had a 4 star juco saftey that never made it to SMU. But either way, if you look on the field Bennett's players on the O line and at receiver were the foundation of the team. When they were gone JJ was pretty much gone as well. GG extended June's stay for a year or 2.

Much more labor intensive to calculate but BCS offers per player would be a better comparison

Jones had 7 non-qualifiers in 1 year and 5 in the next. In his first 2 full recruiting classes he lead Texas in signing non-qualifiers