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Re: Will UT go to PAC?
Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 2:31 pm
by AusTxPony
Or they could just add some schools in the recruiting hotbeds...SMU, TCU, UH, UT.
Re: Will UT go to PAC?
Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 3:15 pm
by sbsmith
AusTxPony wrote:Or they could just add some schools in the recruiting hotbeds...SMU, TCU, UH, UT.
UT alone would give them instant credibility in all the recruiting hotbeds. The Pac-12 is raid-proof so they don't need to add junk for sake of getting to some arbitrary number of schools. Their only real moves are either to stay at 12 or get the Texoma group.
Re: Will UT go to PAC?
Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 5:34 pm
by SoCal_Pony
sbsmith wrote:gostangs wrote:The best plan for the pac would be to pull in UT, and then also SMU on condition we add some sports and deck Ford. Then they would pull in meaningful TV geography from the two regions they care about (Austin and Dallas) and pick off the two best schools in Texas that aren't Rice.
Or they could just add UT and 3 other schools that bring some fans/eyeballs to the table.
Not that I think it will happen, but small thinking on your part SB.
Arizona, Arizona St, Cal, Colorado, Oregon St, Stanford, Utah & Wash St., that's 8 schools within the PAC12. These 8 schools averaged 43k in attendance last year.
SMU averages 22k. For the sake of argument let's say going a major conference with its recruiting, marketing & opponent perks raise our attendance to 30k (remember every other year there's a UT home game).
You're going to tell me that with the extra $25M per year minimum SMU would receive from PAC membership they couldn't solve adding 13,000 more per home game. That's 80,000 fans per year. Throw $1M at this problem and it's ~$13.00 per fan per game or the price of a ticket.
Yep, they could solve this problem.
Re: Will UT go to PAC?
Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 6:15 pm
by sbsmith
SoCal_Pony wrote:
Not that I think it will happen, but small thinking on your part SB.
It's big thinking on my part, at least as far as the Pac-12 is concerned because what they want is all that matters since they're in control of the invites. I don't think they'll see much potential in our fanbase to grow in their West Coast-centric conference given that we drew poorly even in the Texas-centric SWC. Sure we'd get a bump from where we are now but we'd still be hanging around the bottom of the conference in attendance especially in bad seasons. Why bother with us when they can pursue programs that already draw well?
Re: Will UT go to PAC?
Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 6:44 pm
by SoCal_Pony
sbsmith wrote:Sure we'd get a bump from where we are now but we'd still be hanging around the bottom of the conference in attendance especially in bad seasons. Why bother with us when they can pursue programs that already draw well?
If we can average 43k we are with 2/3rds of the conference.
And which programs would they pursue? Baylor, Tech, Coog High or Ok St.?
For the reasons I stated, plus the fact that we are a more cultural fit for the CA schools, I'd argue that SMU shouldn't assume anything, including taking a back seat to any of these schools.
Re: Will UT go to PAC?
Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 7:09 pm
by sbsmith
SoCal_Pony wrote:
If we can average 43k we are with 2/3rds of the conference.
And which programs would they pursue? Baylor, Tech, Coog High or Ok St.?
For the reasons I stated, plus the fact that we are a more cultural fit for the CA schools, I'd argue that SMU shouldn't assume anything, including taking a back seat to any of these schools.
That's a big if requiring stadium expansion and our fans actually showing up in force for a change. Bear in mind that we can't fill our current capacity unless the visitors bring at least 10K fans and there aren't many Pac-12 schools that'll bring even half that to Dallas to play us. Their last two additions drew around 45K before getting invited, we're currently drawing about half that.
The Pac-12 has one shot for a big move and that's getting the Texoma group, failing that they'll stay at 12. G5 schools aren't getting in unless they've got pictures of Pac-12 presidents humping goats or something.
Re: Will UT go to PAC?
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 12:01 am
by East Coast Mustang
Baylor is going to be an absolute pariah in the realignment scene if the Big 12 implodes. Worst case scenario, we'll probably be in the same conference as them (and probably TCU) in 2025. I still think the "PAC-16" adding Texas, Tech, OU, and OSU is the most likely scenario.
Re: Will UT go to PAC?
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:23 am
by orguy
mathman wrote:The Cal vs Stanford thing is pretty settled. There is virtually no rating service that has Cal above Stanford. Also was curious about the rest of the PAC so looked it up. According to US News - (the most used ranking source) - the Cali schools are of course great - Stanford (5), Cal (20), USC (23) UCLA (24) and you can throw in Washington (54) also. They are all above SMU (56) and UT (56). The rest of the PAC is not good - and in fact most of the supposedly poorly academically ranked SEC is above Oregon (103), Utah (111), Arizona (124), Arizona State (129) Oregon State (143) and Washington State (143). That is not a strong group.
I know most don't care about university rankings, but it seems to come up a lot when new candidates are thrown around for PAC or Big membership. So its just FYI - SMU and UT would not be remotely thought of as academic baggage in that conference.
Thanks for looking up all the information. Guess "orguy" was just trolling. California seems to have a weird effect on a lot of people. Think they implemented the travel ban because they were afraid some of their folks might ask for amnesty when they got here.
Far from Trolling country boy.
California resident and proud of it. U is math (NOT)
Re: Will UT go to PAC?
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:30 am
by orguy
mathman wrote:The Cal vs Stanford thing is pretty settled. There is virtually no rating service that has Cal above Stanford. Also was curious about the rest of the PAC so looked it up. According to US News - (the most used ranking source) - the Cali schools are of course great - Stanford (5), Cal (20), USC (23) UCLA (24) and you can throw in Washington (54) also. They are all above SMU (56) and UT (56). The rest of the PAC is not good - and in fact most of the supposedly poorly academically ranked SEC is above Oregon (103), Utah (111), Arizona (124), Arizona State (129) Oregon State (143) and Washington State (143). That is not a strong group.
I know most don't care about university rankings, but it seems to come up a lot when new candidates are thrown around for PAC or Big membership. So its just FYI - SMU and UT would not be remotely thought of as academic baggage in that conference.
Thanks for looking up all the information. Guess "orguy" was just trolling. California seems to have a weird effect on a lot of people. Think they implemented the travel ban because they were afraid some of their folks might ask for amnesty when they got here.
Hmm. Rereading this. U care very much about university rankings. DId you graduate with a degree in communications art from SMU or perhaps a junior college? think you understand the ranking process? living in your Mom's basement in Tyler? The wise sage!! where did you say you went to school? ETSU a and m?
Speaking of Tolls your wrote the book. Likely you are troll who never even graduated from SMU. Take this offline if you wish? Yeah, thought so ... coward.
Good sweat to ya lowlife
Re: Will UT go to PAC?
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 9:48 am
by Stallion
PAC 12 schools wouldn't move the attendance meter much at SMU.
Re: Will UT go to PAC?
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:41 pm
by gostangs
Disagree. The west coast/texas thing is strong and getting stronger. Plus we will pull many more causal Dallas fans with schools that they have heard of.
Re: Will UT go to PAC?
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:11 pm
by Pony Boss
Stallion wrote:PAC 12 schools wouldn't move the attendance meter much at SMU.
Having good football teams and winning 80% of your games consistently will.
Re: Will UT go to PAC?
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:46 pm
by East Coast Mustang
orguy wrote:mathman wrote:The Cal vs Stanford thing is pretty settled. There is virtually no rating service that has Cal above Stanford. Also was curious about the rest of the PAC so looked it up. According to US News - (the most used ranking source) - the Cali schools are of course great - Stanford (5), Cal (20), USC (23) UCLA (24) and you can throw in Washington (54) also. They are all above SMU (56) and UT (56). The rest of the PAC is not good - and in fact most of the supposedly poorly academically ranked SEC is above Oregon (103), Utah (111), Arizona (124), Arizona State (129) Oregon State (143) and Washington State (143). That is not a strong group.
I know most don't care about university rankings, but it seems to come up a lot when new candidates are thrown around for PAC or Big membership. So its just FYI - SMU and UT would not be remotely thought of as academic baggage in that conference.
Thanks for looking up all the information. Guess "orguy" was just trolling. California seems to have a weird effect on a lot of people. Think they implemented the travel ban because they were afraid some of their folks might ask for amnesty when they got here.
Hmm. Rereading this. U care very much about university rankings. DId you graduate with a degree in communications art from SMU or perhaps a junior college? think you understand the ranking process? living in your Mom's basement in Tyler? The wise sage!! where did you say you went to school? ETSU a and m?
Speaking of Tolls your wrote the book. Likely you are troll who never even graduated from SMU. Take this offline if you wish? Yeah, thought so ... coward.
Good sweat to ya lowlife
Orguy must be one of the UNT trolls
Re: Will UT go to PAC?
Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 1:21 am
by orguy
Another Doubtful this guy ever went to SMU. Take it offline? oh wait east coast small town
hick has does accept PM"s form those who want to know.. did this guy ever graduate from
SMU? did he attend ETSU or some East Coast Junior College (likely).. fun times..
All is clear Limbaugh Lover, Beat your wife nightly? justify it with Hannityisms?
Making us all proud with your Basket weaving degree? working for Daddy now?
Re: Will UT go to PAC?
Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 1:23 am
by orguy
East Coast Mustang wrote:orguy wrote:mathman wrote:The Cal vs Stanford thing is pretty settled. There is virtually no rating service that has Cal above Stanford. Also was curious about the rest of the PAC so looked it up. According to US News - (the most used ranking source) - the Cali schools are of course great - Stanford (5), Cal (20), USC (23) UCLA (24) and you can throw in Washington (54) also. They are all above SMU (56) and UT (56). The rest of the PAC is not good - and in fact most of the supposedly poorly academically ranked SEC is above Oregon (103), Utah (111), Arizona (124), Arizona State (129) Oregon State (143) and Washington State (143). That is not a strong group.
I know most don't care about university rankings, but it seems to come up a lot when new candidates are thrown around for PAC or Big membership. So its just FYI - SMU and UT would not be remotely thought of as academic baggage in that conference.
Thanks for looking up all the information. Guess "orguy" was just trolling. California seems to have a weird effect on a lot of people. Think they implemented the travel ban because they were afraid some of their folks might ask for amnesty when they got here.
Hmm. Rereading this. U care very much about university rankings. DId you graduate with a degree in communications art from SMU or perhaps a junior college? think you understand the ranking process? living in your Mom's basement in Tyler? The wise sage!! where did you say you went to school? ETSU a and m?
Speaking of Tolls your wrote the book. Likely you are troll who never even graduated from SMU. Take this offline if you wish? Yeah, thought so ... coward.
Good sweat to ya lowlife
Orguy must be one of the UNT trolls
U live in the east but you do not say where coward? where in the east? Another job from Daddy while residing in your Mom's basement where you tune fascist right wing radio daily because you do not have a job.
NTSU indeed [deleted]!!!