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So who does the PAC 12 grab? CO State to keep their CO presence and/or SDSU to keep their Southern Cal. presence and/or SMU to pick up a top ten TV market and give their teams exposure in the TX recruiting market?

And there's a chicken and egg issue. Can they get a TV deal with 9 teams or can they get new teams without a TV deal?

They've been a day late and a dollar (actually $50 million in over payment) short.

SAD.

DallasMustang11 wrote:

Red Dragon Coog wrote:It's official


https://twitter.com/brett_mcmurphy/stat ... 99138?s=46

Man it’s hard for me to see this as anything but bad news. CU leaving may not mean much but now that one is out the door how much harder will it be to keep ASU and/or Arizona.

AZ is probably gone.

Question is if ASU, Utah, Oregon, or UW follow.

Either way the PAC has a playoff revenue war chest of 60M per year through the end of this playoff deal (3-4 years left) to rebuild with.

SMU will likely get the call-up with whoever else the PAC wants IMO.

max the wonder dog wrote:So who does the PAC 12 grab? CO State to keep their CO presence and/or SDSU to keep their Southern Cal. presence and/or SMU to pick up a top ten TV market and give their teams exposure in the TX recruiting market?

And there's a chicken and egg issue. Can they get a TV deal with 9 teams or can they get new teams without a TV deal?

They've been a day late and a dollar (actually $50 million in over payment) short.

SAD.

Think the first question has to be do they lose anyone else. If the numbers presented to CU were bad enough to send them packing you have to think others are looking for the escape hatch.

WordUpBU wrote:

DallasMustang11 wrote:

Red Dragon Coog wrote:It's official


https://twitter.com/brett_mcmurphy/stat ... 99138?s=46

Man it’s hard for me to see this as anything but bad news. CU leaving may not mean much but now that one is out the door how much harder will it be to keep ASU and/or Arizona.

AZ is probably gone.

Question is if ASU, Utah, Oregon, or UW follow.

Either way the PAC has a playoff revenue war chest of 60M per year through the end of this playoff deal (3-4 years left) to rebuild with.

SMU will likely get the call-up with whoever else the PAC wants IMO.

If those 5 leave what is even left? Cal Stanford and the best G5 schools available. Even if SMU gets in the PAC will be dead when that playoff deal runs out and we are right back to square one.

WordUpBU wrote:

DallasMustang11 wrote:

Red Dragon Coog wrote:It's official


https://twitter.com/brett_mcmurphy/stat ... 99138?s=46

Man it’s hard for me to see this as anything but bad news. CU leaving may not mean much but now that one is out the door how much harder will it be to keep ASU and/or Arizona.

AZ is probably gone.

Question is if ASU, Utah, Oregon, or UW follow.

Either way the PAC has a playoff revenue war chest of 60M per year through the end of this playoff deal (3-4 years left) to rebuild with.

SMU will likely get the call-up with whoever else the PAC wants IMO.

If you just mean ΓÇ£leave the PAC 12ΓÇ¥ when you say ΓÇ£followΓÇ¥ then yes, if CU leaves then UO and UDub will follow out the door, but to the B1G. I believe the rumors that the B1G didn’t take them only to avoid the optics of further gutting the PAC.

With Colorado a real flight risk, author gives three things the PAC-12 must do right now.

https://www.si.com/college/stanford/foo ... is-looking

If Colorado bails and they are the only defection, I don't see any pressure on the PAC to expand beyond 9 teams. They would have a balanced conference schedule with 4 home/4 road games and while Colorado now has some intrigue with Deion at the helm, the Buffs have been a doormat for years and has no real rival in the PAC. The conference keeps it's big rivalry games but does lose a championship game opportunity. That in and of itself might be reason to expand to at least 10 members, with SDSU the obvious 1st choice.

DallasMustang11 wrote:

WordUpBU wrote:

DallasMustang11 wrote: Man it’s hard for me to see this as anything but bad news. CU leaving may not mean much but now that one is out the door how much harder will it be to keep ASU and/or Arizona.

AZ is probably gone.

Question is if ASU, Utah, Oregon, or UW follow.

Either way the PAC has a playoff revenue war chest of 60M per year through the end of this playoff deal (3-4 years left) to rebuild with.

SMU will likely get the call-up with whoever else the PAC wants IMO.

If those 5 leave what is even left? Cal Stanford and the best G5 schools available. Even if SMU gets in the PAC will be dead when that playoff deal runs out and we are right back to square one.

I think you'd be building from a nucleus of Cal, Stanford, Wazzu, Oregon State, SDSU, and one of ASU/Utah.

Compare to Memphis, USF, UNT, UTSA, Rice, Tulane, ECU, FAU, UAB, Navy, and Temple it's a step up at the very least.

From there add a Boise or AFA and possibly top AAC teams.

Charleston Pony wrote:If Colorado bails and they are the only defection, I don't see any pressure on the PAC to expand beyond 9 teams. They would have a balanced conference schedule with 4 home/4 road games and while Colorado now has some intrigue with Deion at the helm, the Buffs have been a doormat for years and has no real rival in the PAC. The conference keeps it's big rivalry games but does lose a championship game opportunity. That in and of itself might be reason to expand to at least 10 members, with SDSU the obvious 1st choice.

Probably need another school for inventory and for reduced shares to help the existing 9.

If the AAC hadn’t backfilled 2 years ago, we’d have maybe been in a position to merge with the PAC9. True Memphis USF and ECU won’t curl the toes of University presidents, but SMU, Temple, Navy and Tulane will. Perhaps those 4 AAC schools plus AF would be good additions to the PAC 12. Navy and AF bring a National following.

EastStang wrote:If the AAC hadn’t backfilled 2 years ago, we’d have maybe been in a position to merge with the PAC9. True Memphis USF and ECU won’t curl the toes of University presidents, but SMU, Temple, Navy and Tulane will. Perhaps those 4 AAC schools plus AF would be good additions to the PAC 12. Navy and AF bring a National following.

The PAC was always going to cherry pick in that scenario.

The P5 is really the P2 at this point. Big 10 and SEC will expand in time. The rest can poach from one another but the stakes will be fairly small given the huge media disparities. The Big 12 major claim to fame will be that it is a top flight basketball league. Football media revenue will fall. The pie may be larger but more slices will be needed to feed everyone at the table.

https://www.outkick.com/oregon-big-12-p ... eculation/


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Classic SMU. We broke up the big East, now we’re killing off the Pac12. Love it!!!

In the PAC-12, Oregon and Washington hold all the cards. I hope this Duck post means they will stay and wait for the time being ... while adding two schools to the conference

https://duckswire.usatoday.com/2023/07/ ... -per-espn/