Julius Omoniurhie 6-11 center commits

Charleston Pony · Post by **Charleston Pony** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 5:36 pm

part of Dave Bliss' strategy when he took over was to recruit at least one local stud each season, and he did pretty well with that. I believe Reggie Pink and Carl Wright were among his 1st two seasons' finds.

I agree recruiting locally is important, but as some have mentioned...that's tougher right now because the locals are all too familiar with our recent history and aren't going to impress their friends & family by staying home and playing here.

Hopefully Doherty can change all that with the guys he is bringing in from out of the area.

PonyDoh · Post by **PonyDoh** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:13 pm

papawasamustang wrote:
PonyDoh wrote:
jimhagle wrote:Amazing Maryland and Georgetown either weren't interested or he didn't want to go there-shockingly small crowd for big time bball in the DC area.
He's just not ACC /Big East ready, but his ceiling is fairly high. Again, if he had waited till Spring, and played well this season, his recruitment would blow up.
Based on what? How is his celing so high? He could be a big stiff for all you know. 0 Stars, right in the backyard of ACC, Big East.
If he was any good @ that size he wouldn't be coming here.
Sounds like a major project that if we are lucky might bring something to the table year 3 or 4. Big men take longer to develop than any other position in the game.

Just to clarify something for the ones that just don't get it, the talk about recruiting locally with just a hint of success is directed toward keeping some of the local talent @ home. Not the whole freakin team.
If we could begin getting some of the 3 or 4 stars or perhaps even a 5 star
their AAU teammates just might follow. You can develop a local fan based because you have local talent. They might just have friends that play football that may want to come here, etc. etc.

Just saw where Rice secured another 3 star bb player (from Houston)

You're a recruitnik, I appreciate that, but not an evaluator, or ever made any money in the hoops industry, that much is clear. I don't go by stars ever, much less when I've seen the kid play multiple times. Furthermore, the head coach, who is known as a recruiter and talent evaluator, has seen the kid multiple times in person.

I'm not saying he's a world beater, but he's a very athletic big man that runs very well. He's raw, very raw, but is a legit signing from a huge conference. Much like your apples to oranges, football to hoops, comparison earlier, all I need to know is that you think J.O is 0 stars b/c Rivals or Scout says so. That is laughable. He was being recruited by some big time schools.

Bottom line, you develop a local fan base by winning, not local kids.

papawasamustang · Post by **papawasamustang** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:10 pm

PonyDoh wrote:
papawasamustang wrote:
PonyDoh wrote: He's just not ACC /Big East ready, but his ceiling is fairly high. Again, if he had waited till Spring, and played well this season, his recruitment would blow up.
Based on what? How is his celing so high? He could be a big stiff for all you know. 0 Stars, right in the backyard of ACC, Big East.
If he was any good @ that size he wouldn't be coming here.
Sounds like a major project that if we are lucky might bring something to the table year 3 or 4. Big men take longer to develop than any other position in the game.

Just to clarify something for the ones that just don't get it, the talk about recruiting locally with just a hint of success is directed toward keeping some of the local talent @ home. Not the whole freakin team.
If we could begin getting some of the 3 or 4 stars or perhaps even a 5 star
their AAU teammates just might follow. You can develop a local fan based because you have local talent. They might just have friends that play football that may want to come here, etc. etc.

Just saw where Rice secured another 3 star bb player (from Houston)

You're a recruitnik, I appreciate that, but not an evaluator, or ever made any money in the hoops industry, that much is clear. I don't go by stars ever, much less when I've seen the kid play multiple times. Furthermore, the head coach, who is known as a recruiter and talent evaluator, has seen the kid multiple times in person.

I'm not saying he's a world beater, but he's a very athletic big man that runs very well. He's raw, very raw, but is a legit signing from a huge conference. Much like your apples to oranges, football to hoops, comparison earlier, all I need to know is that you think J.O is 0 stars b/c Rivals or Scout says so. That is laughable. He was being recruited by some big time schools.

Bottom line, you develop a local fan base by winning, not local kids.

You've seen this kid play how many times? Is he right or left handed?
What's his wingspan? Vertical?
Interesting that he doesn't have a rating. My experience is if a kid can play he usually has @ least a couple of stars. Occasionally u will see someone slip through the cracks.
I see that other schools have been scouting him but not really offering.
You know the "big time schools" see alot of kids & don't offer.

Anyway, I hope he turns out to be the best center we have ever had.
I'll hold comment on his game until I actually see him play.

Dwan · Post by **Dwan** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:47 pm

it is kind of amusing reading these theories on recruiting, all of which have valid points....however, the best way to get good recruits is to win. Mens basketball and football at SMU have not done a whole lot of winning the past 20 years. No bowl games in football and 1 NCAA Tourney in 20 years...blame the firing of Tubbs, Moody, or whatever you want, if we won more we would be getting better recruits both locally and nationally.

gostangs · Post by **gostangs** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:21 pm

I would blame the hiring of Tubbs more then the firing of Tubbs.

Stallion · Post by **Stallion** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 2:31 am

Great theory there-you win more you recruit better. That's back-assed-backwards.

PonyDoh · Post by **PonyDoh** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 7:20 am

papawasamustang wrote:
PonyDoh wrote:
papawasamustang wrote: Based on what? How is his celing so high? He could be a big stiff for all you know. 0 Stars, right in the backyard of ACC, Big East.
If he was any good @ that size he wouldn't be coming here.
Sounds like a major project that if we are lucky might bring something to the table year 3 or 4. Big men take longer to develop than any other position in the game.

Just to clarify something for the ones that just don't get it, the talk about recruiting locally with just a hint of success is directed toward keeping some of the local talent @ home. Not the whole freakin team.
If we could begin getting some of the 3 or 4 stars or perhaps even a 5 star
their AAU teammates just might follow. You can develop a local fan based because you have local talent. They might just have friends that play football that may want to come here, etc. etc.

Just saw where Rice secured another 3 star bb player (from Houston)
You're a recruitnik, I appreciate that, but not an evaluator, or ever made any money in the hoops industry, that much is clear. I don't go by stars ever, much less when I've seen the kid play multiple times. Furthermore, the head coach, who is known as a recruiter and talent evaluator, has seen the kid multiple times in person.

I'm not saying he's a world beater, but he's a very athletic big man that runs very well. He's raw, very raw, but is a legit signing from a huge conference. Much like your apples to oranges, football to hoops, comparison earlier, all I need to know is that you think J.O is 0 stars b/c Rivals or Scout says so. That is laughable. He was being recruited by some big time schools.

Bottom line, you develop a local fan base by winning, not local kids.

You've seen this kid play how many times? Is he right or left handed?
What's his wingspan? Vertical?
Interesting that he doesn't have a rating. My experience is if a kid can play he usually has @ least a couple of stars. Occasionally u will see someone slip through the cracks.
I see that other schools have been scouting him but not really offering.
You know the "big time schools" see alot of kids & don't offer.

Anyway, I hope he turns out to be the best center we have ever had.
I'll hold comment on his game until I actually see him play.

It's actually very strange that he doesn't have a rating as I know he's been seen by guys like Evan Daniels & Dave Telep, I believe. He even has a few articles on the national services. Kids out of Good Counsel, that play on flagships, and get legit rides, generally have a rating.

I saw the kid play this past summer in Pittsburgh @ Jamfest, as well as vs. Dematha. 4 or 5 games total. He played well @ Jamfest, but was a non-factor vs Dematha

jtstang · Post by **jtstang** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 10:46 am

Charleston Pony wrote:part of Dave Bliss' strategy when he took over was to recruit at least one local stud each season, and he did pretty well with that. I believe Reggie Pink and Carl Wright were among his 1st two seasons' finds.

Bliss had a bigger checkbook than does Doherty.

EastStang · Post by **EastStang** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 11:07 am

DeMatha generally has the size and depth that Good Counsel doesn't have. Good Counsel has for decades been a tier II team in the WCAC which means that they were usually in the second division. This coach has changed that somewhat. This kid will have some solid prep experience coming to SMU against the best players.

Stallion · Post by **Stallion** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 1:07 pm

Has a physical frame that could really develop after a few years of development. See pics. Apparently needs to lot of work on the Offensive end.

http://www.gchoops.com/Player%20Pages/R ... ehtml.html

Stallion · Post by **Stallion** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 1:14 pm

The stats from the previous post must have been Sophmore stats. This site says he dramatically improved as a Junior-averaged 10 ppg.
http://sports.espn.go.com/highschool/ri ... id=3668438

Dwan · Post by **Dwan** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 1:25 pm

By win I mean more than zero bowl games in 20 years and one NCAA tourney in 20 years.

Our recruiting has sucked for the last 20 years cause our football team has been one of the worst teams in the country and are basketball teams are not far behind.

By win I think you need to show recruits that their can be more to their 4 or 5 years at SMU that a .250 winning percentage in football and .450 in basketball.

That our get a guy like Todd Dodge and his nifty 3 star players that get you excited!

The XtC · Post by **The XtC** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 3:05 pm

[quote="OC Mustang"][quote="The XtC"]Here's a preview on his high school, written by one of the local papers: ....[/quote]

Actually XTC, the quote about teaching a pig to sing is that "it's difficult, it doesn't sound good, and it annoys the pig."

:wink:

I like that quote.[/quote]

The way I wrote it is the way I've always heard it, and I think I'll just stick with it.

CalallenStang · Post by **CalallenStang** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 8:57 pm

Stallion wrote:Has a physical frame that could really develop after a few years of development.

I'm going to give you a hard time about this one...

"...could really develop after a few years of development..."

REALLY?

papawasamustang · Post by **papawasamustang** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 10:15 pm

http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiti ... son%3d2009

ESPN has updated their ranking for our future big man.