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Maybe this OOC schedule was left in tact to make sure Jones retires. : )

Best case scenario we go 1-3 or 2-2 OOC but it's going to be fun as hell having A&M and TCU on campus at Ford.

redpony wrote:mrydel- so you are saying that he was not expected to make us competitive with our former companions- tcwho, tt, a&m, baylor etc.
Sorry but I disagree- this was also part of the 'bargain' IMO. You can't be BCS if you can't play with the 'big boys'.

Red, sometimes you get so strong on the fire them all kick that you do not pay attention. Jones was given one primary goal and that was to get us into a BCS conference. To do that you would assume we would have to be competitive. But his goal was not to play specific teams, it was to get into a conference with a big money return. Of course this would have to be in concert with RGT and Orsini at the time. But where the shortfall occurred was not being competitive enough to upgrade us as the conferences moved.

So I agree with you in concept that we should have strived to be competitive with our neighbors, but when he was hired he was told his goal was to get us into a BCS conference and he did accomplish that. It just turned out to be a very bad one.

mrydel wrote:So I agree with you in concept that we should have strived to be competitive with our neighbors, but when he was hired he was told his goal was to get us into a BCS conference and he did accomplish that. It just turned out to be a very bad one.

...for one year.

I've defended JJ more than most around here, but by year 7 we should be competitive with our Big XII neighbors for what he's being paid.

Totally agree. And with that I agree with Red. I am just stating a fact that when he came he was given the goal to get the school into the BCS. I do not think anyone fully believed the landscape would change in the manner it did. And what we are actually left with is pretty well right where we were when he came from a conference standpoint.

mrydel wrote:And what we are actually left with is pretty well right where we were when he came from a conference standpoint.

That's where we disagree- we could have very well been left in the current C-USA instead of making the jump to the AAC without June taking us to four bowl games. I'll give June credit there- he made us a somewhat respectable football program after being one of the worst in FBS for 20+ years

Again I agree. I am saying where we are today is the equivalent of old CUSA both with opponents and money. We are not getting 15 million like we had hoped. But yes, it could have been worse. I also believe with right effort and recruiting it could have been better.

mrydel wrote: yes, it could have been worse. I also believe with right effort and recruiting it could have been better.

How so? We weren't getting into the Big 12 over TCU. They'd built up a substantial fanbase over the past decade before JJ came to SMU.

East Coast Mustang wrote:

sbsmith wrote:

ojaipony wrote:The only problem I have is AT Baylor. We already played AT Baylor. They need to come here. Otherwise, let's play someone else in the preseason like SFA.

They were supposed to come here this year remember?

Ojai just had an FTHP moment. It's okay Ojai, you're forgiven this time.

Whew. Thank goodness I'm forgiven. I was very worried there for a second.

I don't care if we got out of the game, we last played there they need to come play here next! And we get to be their whipping boy to open their new stadium?!? Eff that.

East Coast Mustang wrote:

mrydel wrote:And what we are actually left with is pretty well right where we were when he came from a conference standpoint.

That's where we disagree- we could have very well been left in the current C-USA instead of making the jump to the AAC without June taking us to four bowl games. I'll give June credit there- he made us a somewhat respectable football program after being one of the worst in FBS for 20+ years

Is that you June?

can't we just draw and quarter june and get it over with.

PonySnob wrote:

East Coast Mustang wrote:

mrydel wrote:And what we are actually left with is pretty well right where we were when he came from a conference standpoint.

That's where we disagree- we could have very well been left in the current C-USA instead of making the jump to the AAC without June taking us to four bowl games. I'll give June credit there- he made us a somewhat respectable football program after being one of the worst in FBS for 20+ years

Is that you June?

If you want to disagree with what I said, make a counterpoint.

Nice, we'll be breaking in a new QB too. Should be a terrific day for SMU football. I'm almost getting to the point where I'm not even going to tune in until conference play begins. These OOC beat downs are horrible. And I suppose the athletic department will charge $100 per seat. No thanks.

1983 Cotton Bowl wrote:Nice, we'll be breaking in a new QB too. Should be a terrific day for SMU football. I'm almost getting to the point where I'm not even going to tune in until conference play begins. These OOC beat downs are horrible. And I suppose the athletic department will charge $100 per seat. No thanks.

Remember - it's only PRE-SEASON!

Sure JJ has it "penciled in" already.......