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ponyboy wrote:

EastStang wrote:I don't see Colorado being a cheerleader for CSU. Sort of like UVa didn't want VT in the ACC until the politicians forced it on them.

Right CU wants CSU in the same conference the same way TCU wants us.

SoCal_Pony wrote:

ponyboy wrote:

EastStang wrote:I don't see Colorado being a cheerleader for CSU. Sort of like UVa didn't want VT in the ACC until the politicians forced it on them.

Right CU wants CSU in the same conference the same way TCU wants us.

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CSU has a much lower academic ranking & endowment, plus Boulder is considered a cool college town.

I suspect Colorado considers CSU more of a nuisance than a threat.

That’s a huge difference vs SMU & TCU

We are the better school.

Mustangs_Maroons wrote:I think RGT will stay on at SMU here until his last breath.

NavyCrimson wrote:Just shows you how weak the board is if he does.

Curious. Makes you think the board members are paid by Turner.

Insane_Pony_Posse wrote:

Mustangs_Maroons wrote:I think RGT will stay on at SMU here until his last breath.

I agree!

R. Gerald Turner
Will turn 77 years old later this month.
Assumed office
June 5, 1995

SoCal_Pony wrote:The problem with RGT is that he’s a failure at everything that matters

Academic ranking - Down
Endowment - Down
Football Championships - Zero
NCAA BB Tourney wins - Zero

Only bright moment in sports??? LB in BB, which through his own incompetency not only does he destroy, he also manages to get SMU a MUCH harsher penalty than UNC received for 20 yrs of more serious violations

And as CP said, RGT had zero foresight into the changing dynamics of College FB & TV revenues

The Stallion Model, which i fully endorsed for decades, was only implemented during the June Jones era. Even today, RGT has done nothing meaningful to promote SMU FB a la Mustang Mania.

I’ll end it on these 3 thoughts.

As I’ve stated over a decade agoΓǪwhen i first found an SMU sports boardΓǪthis was pre-PonyFans day and i think the site was called Mustang ManiacsΓǪi was so happy as i thought i would find a community of hundreds of angry StallionsΓǪto my surprise, Stallion the poster was actually in a minority with his views.

Secondly, i think Forrest Gregg was a coward and someone who did a great disservice to SMU athletics. Sure, we cheated under Meyers, Collins and countless othersΓǪ.but if Forrest gave his word that SMU wouldn’t cheat, his integrity was such that we WOULDN’T. Yet he went along with the charade and fielded teams that could never ever be competitive. He should have been a voice for change and reason, instead he was more of a water boy. Somehow, perversely, Miracle on Mockingbird became folklore. My goodness, as a STUDENT during the Pony Express days i witnessed 30 games more meaningful than Miracle.

Finally, call me highly skeptical about Frog ΓÇÿinside information’ shared on this site. If he’s saying it here, he’s saying it in other places as well. Given today’s social media, if his ΓÇÿinfo’ was legit, if it had any legs, we would have heard about it from other sources. I follow Twitter, including the ΓÇÿ4 corner’ sites + PAC sites. Not hearing anything meaningful at any of these places. My own opinion???ΓǪ.too many fans on sports sites kinda idiotically think decisions are based on how their FB teams are performing. Problem with that thinking is at the end of the day, final decisions are made by academic Presidents of universities with IQs of 130 and not FB coaches with IQs of 100. Education, Research, who you are associated with academically carriers more weight than 60,000 screaming fans at Stillwater 6 times a year. With our location and NIL, i haven’t given up hope.

gostangs wrote:

SoCal_Pony wrote:The problem with RGT is that he’s a failure at everything that matters

Academic ranking - Down
Endowment - Down
Football Championships - Zero
NCAA BB Tourney wins - Zero

How do you have the endowment down? we are just under 2 Billion - way higher than when Turner got here. I think there has not been enough emphasis on building it vs buildings personally - but fact is it is way up. I think you are correct on the main thesis - which is that early on we were so gun shy about athletics (since all the trustees were basically the same as the scandal years and they would rather be dead than have another issue) we couldn't and didnt get aggressive until lately - and that has proven so far to be too late.

Hoping for the PAC hail mary...

Mustangs_Maroons wrote:
SMU is a much better school than TCU

FroggieFever wrote:

Mustangs_Maroons wrote:
SMU is a much better school than TCU

This type of thinking will only hurt SMU.

TCU has taken the underdog approach, academically and athletically. Nearly every building on campus is new. As are the athletic facilities. TCU continues to rise in USN&WR rankings (now millimeters from SMU). Hiring world-class professors. New med school. We just had a record raise which will push the endowment north of $3B. There is a reason there is a lot of Dallas money at TCU (a la Hunt, Perot, et al.): Heads down and focused.

SMU (a school I love) needs to take the same attitude. Fall on the sword on areas we (yes, we...also a steward of SMU) suck at, and invest in improving them. Taking a "holier than thou" approach will end up futile.

Mustangs_Maroons wrote:

FroggieFever wrote:

Mustangs_Maroons wrote:
SMU is a much better school than TCU

This type of thinking will only hurt SMU.

TCU has taken the underdog approach, academically and athletically. Nearly every building on campus is new. As are the athletic facilities. TCU continues to rise in USN&WR rankings (now millimeters from SMU). Hiring world-class professors. New med school. We just had a record raise which will push the endowment north of $3B. There is a reason there is a lot of Dallas money at TCU (a la Hunt, Perot, et al.): Heads down and focused.

SMU (a school I love) needs to take the same attitude. Fall on the sword on areas we (yes, we...also a steward of SMU) suck at, and invest in improving them. Taking a "holier than thou" approach will end up futile.

SMU IS the better school, better reputation, better academic quality across most programs. It’s not really close, but I get it you’re a tcu alumn. You don’t have to accept it. My point, however, was (if you had understood the message with where who knows what happens to our future) that while SMU is the better academic school NOW, we can’t continue to rest on our laurels. Don’t confuse the poor administration with the clear perception that SMU is a better academic school than TCU, similar to how Rice is a better academic school than SMU.

Mustangs_Maroons wrote:
SMU IS the better school, better reputation, better academic quality if programs. It’s nos really close, but I get it you’re a tcu alumn.