Hoop Fan wrote:Spare me your sweep it under the rug rhetoric. you had your broom out before any of this occurred ready to sweep it all under the rug. Let me guess, you and Max are buddies aren't you?
Of course he is. Everything is just hunky to him and his buddy Max. Meanwhile, SMU suffers because of them.
I agree that SMU can become the Depaul of Dallas, but on a side note, Depaul carries only 3 Chicago area players. They are also extremely competitive in a tough big east and most of their players came when the school was in conference USA. They did not get that way hiring a local guy with ties to Chicago area high schools. They knew that the route with recruits is through coaches with strong club team ties, since high school basketball doesn't mean very much anymore.
Depaul has a great model for us to copy, they hired a good name coach in Leitao ( now at virginia) and have again become a well respected program. They also have [deleted] fan support and play away from campus, so like us have [deleted] facilities.
Doherty can make our program similar to this, he has the name, resume, and connections to make this happen. Even if he doesn't come, this is the type of guy we need to look at. I think this is extremely positive for SMU.
Hoop Fan wrote:Spare me your sweep it under the rug rhetoric. you had your broom out before any of this occurred ready to sweep it all under the rug. Let me guess, you and Max are buddies aren't you?
Is that really an appropriate comment from somebody that openly advocated Tubbs nearly a full season before he was hired and has done nothing but defend him in the face of all criticism and been dismissive of every single name suggested as a replacement?
Inspector Clousseou: are you suggesting some sort of motive on my part or what? Get over it. I supported Tubbs because I thought he was good for SMU. I am not related to Tubbs, barely know tubbs.
Good post NickSMU17, just reposting it so it doesn't get glossed over with all the other slap and tickle fights that are going on today....
how many juco players do they usually get a year?
"I agree that SMU can become the Depaul of Dallas, but on a side note, Depaul carries only 3 Chicago area players. They are also extremely competitive in a tough big east and most of their players came when the school was in conference USA. They did not get that way hiring a local guy with ties to Chicago area high schools. They knew that the route with recruits is through coaches with strong club team ties, since high school basketball doesn't mean very much anymore.
Depaul has a great model for us to copy, they hired a good name coach in Leitao ( now at virginia) and have again become a well respected program. They also have [deleted] fan support and play away from campus, so like us have [deleted] facilities.
Doherty can make our program similar to this, he has the name, resume, and connections to make this happen. Even if he doesn't come, this is the type of guy we need to look at. I think this is extremely positive for SMU."
Spare us...............3 weeks of the same old dribble has gotten so old........You have become Blackistone. All discussions lead to "Tubbs was screwed, we're never going to get any good recruits, and we're never going to get a coach who can win because of the firing of Tubbs."
Administrator, can we please add a complete new thread called "Whiners" and put hoop and jt over there so jt can keep chirping "burgers and Cheer" since he thinks that saying is so clever and so hoop can join in?
there is nothing less genius that someone citing 3 guys agreeing with himself as "GENIUS,PURE GENIUS". If MM65, Cheesecake and PonyFan, GoRedGoBlue, and whoever that "[deleted]" that's been predicting a National Championship next year all agree on the same issue concerning SMU athletics one can generally bet the farm that they are wrong. I always know I'm on the right track when it can get them all to heep shame and ridicule upon me in the same thread.
Lets talk about DePaul. Nick makes some sensible sounding points. There are differences between DePaul and SMU that need to be understood though. SMU has been a pariah in Dallas for a long time. It is viewed as a racist snobatorium. It has never done much of anything to reach out or endear itself to the local community. On the other hand, DePaul has been much more effective in building a relationship with Chicago. Ever heard of Ray Meyer? The guy embodied the common man and built goodwill in Chicago that remains with DePaul to this day. Thats the difference and its a big one. Many of Chicago's inner city's favorite sons played at DePaul including Mark Aguirre and Terry Cummings. Turning our back and thumbing our noses at the Dallas high school power programs is not following the DePaul example one bit.
SMU is only about 35 years behind DePaul. I viewed a positive tenure by Tubbs to be the first step in a rehabiliation project, not the beginning of a dynasty. Well, we fell off the wagon two years into rehab.
I seem to think if I was graduating highschool and had the opportunity to play for a guy that experienced success at ND and UNC as well as coached a decent amount of future NBA players, I would be interested. No coach, not even the great Jimmy Tubbs, will be able to recruit Dallas or anywhere else extremely well with the poor showing we have had on the court the past few years.
If Doherty came in, brought some publicity to the school, turned our 13-16 this season into a 18-11 (which he has shown he can do. avg first season turnaround at ND and FAU was 6.5 wins so 5 is conservative) we all the sudden would have recruits interested in us. Not bc Doherty is black, buddies with someone's coach or just an all around good guy but bc he is a name that is producing a winner.
And I propose again. What are everyone's thoughts on bringing a DISD coach on as an assistant?
I've stayed out of this argument because it's a dumb one, but I have a question for those of you that constantly [deleted] about SMU, even before the Tubbs fiasco (Jstang, Stallion, etc.). I've read your posts about how SMU needs to change their thinking, model, blah blah blah (I think this is something we can all agree on). It seems, at least at first blush, that we might have a solid AD who at the very least is interviewing candidates who while they might be controversial, have not been interviewed in the recent past. And, if the gamble were to workout could really pay dividends. Yet, you are still [deleted]. The rant about how we are shooting ourselves in the foot when it comes to DISD kids is stupid. We have struck out in both sports with DISD kids since before I knew SMU existed and will continue to until we win (which those same people have pointed out time and again). Those same people who said it doesn't matter who is in charge at SMU, we won't recruit DISD, are now claiming we've taken a huge step back. So which is it? Serious question: Is it the coach or a winning program. Or is it academic? It can't be an ever evolving excuse that fits the argument for that day.
Full Disclosure:
I enjoy the realism that certain posters (and comic relief from jstang) bring to the board, hell I agree with them half the time. As far as Tubbs, I like him and wish he would have worked, however the firing will be good for the program and probably preempted two more years of .500 ball before his eventual firing. It remains to be seen if those results will be inevitable with a new captain (probably so). As far as Doherty goes, I'm not sure about him. I must say I'm intrigued though and we could probably do a lot worse
I am not against Doherty. I do think you better throw out a small olive branch and bring in a Dallas guy, most likely DISD, as a prominent assistant. Thats not only good PR, we DO want to recruit good players from Dallas don't we? Notwithstanding Friarwolf not wanting any Dallas players unless they come from TCA Addison.
of the suggestions I have heard so far, Rob Evans is the best option to me. Bring him in and ask him to groom a successor like Benford who has Texas ties. Evans may not be a DISD guy, but he is respected almost universally. That would begin to heal the wounds of the Tubbs affair.
I would worry if Doherty came and brought a bunch of assistants with him from Florida. Kind of like Coleman Crawford the guy Dement hired when Tubbs went to OU. Crawford had little traction in Dallas despite have been in the region at Tulsa in the past. By the way, I would have been fine with taking a flyer on Doherty two years ago, may not have been my strategy, but fine.
Back to Doherty, a couple things I liked from the article posted by Pony Pride.
"The announced attendance is 1,009, nearly double Florida Atlantic's season average (523) the year before Doherty's arrival, but still about 19,000 fewer than a typical night in North Carolina's Dean Dome."
"Having inherited a program that went 54-121 in six seasons under his predecessor, Sidney Green, Doherty's first Florida Atlantic squad finished the regular season with a 14-6 record in the Atlantic Sun Conference (15-12 overall) and heads into this weekend's league tournament in Nashville as a No. 3 seed."
Those seem encouraging to me. Also, I can agree throwing out an "olive branch" to bring in a DISD guy as I have previously suggested. I am not one to suck up to DISD at all, but I don't think we should completely ignore it to spite their coaches. That would be foolish.
