BIGHORSE wrote:it's how it happened Saturday on our big recruiting weekend
I keep hearing this about the recruiting weekend so lets take a look at some possible scenarios, all of which would hardly seem satisfactory to some furious myopic people on PonyFans.
Option 1: June meets ASU before recruiting weekend, but then if he takes the new job right before the big weekend some would be saying "wow he knew we had this huge recruiting weekend, he didnt care, just up and left us high and dry, and now none of the kids want to even come visit and see our campus...why didnt he at least wait a few days until after....what a jerk!"
Option 2: Wait until after the recruiting weekend knowing you are probably leaving and then some would be saying "wow I cant believe when he knew he was leaving and he still went thru with the recruiting weekend not really into it, what a jerk".
Option 3: Do what he did and be called a jerk. And we dont even know if he was in full control of the time frame. ASU may have said we need to make a decision now so we need to proceed immediately.
Exactly how would some of you complaining specifically about the big recruiting weekend have done it differently? If you were offered what you thought may be a better job and decided to enter into discussions about this potential new job...probably going to accept new job but obviously not a done deal....how would you have handled the SMU recruiting weekend?
He told us that even a whisper of the deal to get him out of Hawaii happened it was off. Why wasnt that the case with ASU? Had he kept it professional, and kept it quiet, we would have alot less issues, and besides hes got to be kicking himself, because had they kept it quiet he would be HC of ASU. Either way its ruined, and we fell out of the top 50 yet again.
You are so freaked out about falling out of the top 50. You do realize that can change by getting just one commitment right?
Insane_Pony_Posse wrote: I keep hearing this about the recruiting weekend so lets take a look at some possible scenarios, all of which would hardly seem satisfactory to some furious myopic people on PonyFans.
Option 1: June meets ASU before recruiting weekend, but then if he takes the new job right before the big weekend some would be saying "wow he knew we had this huge recruiting weekend, he didnt care, just up and left us high and dry, and now none of the kids want to even come visit and see our campus...why didnt he at least wait a few days until after....what a jerk!"
Option 2: Wait until after the recruiting weekend knowing you are probably leaving and then some would be saying "wow I cant believe when he knew he was leaving and he still went thru with the recruiting weekend not really into it, what a jerk".
Option 3: Do what he did and be called a jerk. And we dont even know if he was in full control of the time frame. ASU may have said we need to make a decision now so we need to proceed immediately.
Exactly how would some of you complaining specifically about the big recruiting weekend have done it differently? If you were offered what you thought may be a better job and decided to enter into discussions about this potential new job...probably going to accept new job but obviously not a done deal....how would you have handled the SMU recruiting weekend?
He told us that even a whisper of the deal to get him out of Hawaii happened it was off. Why wasnt that the case with ASU? Had he kept it professional, and kept it quiet, we would have alot less issues, and besides hes got to be kicking himself, because had they kept it quiet he would be HC of ASU. Either way its ruined, and we fell out of the top 50 yet again.
You are so freaked out about falling out of the top 50. You do realize that can change by getting just one commitment right?
Thats the thing, Im worried that the only guys we can get our 2 stars or lower, because no reasonable player wants to take that much risk on being here with a transition in coaching staff. I know it sounds like Im freaking out, but Im just disappointed is all. I mean I just dont know how you can convince the good players to come here, when our attendance issues have been known nationally, and our 2 million coach isnt happy (even if he says he is). The only hope is that we find the education desired athletes that didnt committ to Stanford, ND or the ivy league (FCS).
If you think SMU is going to be reduced to taking kids whose other options were ivies then you really need to relax. Go look at the other offers of kids who have committed, I do not think you will see many/any ivy league offers. I agree that it could be make recruiting more challenging if the head coach is perceived to be a short timer, but there is a long way between that and taking ivy league rejects.
SMU_Alumni11 wrote: Thats the thing, Im worried that the only guys we can get our 2 stars or lower, because no reasonable player wants to take that much risk on being here with a transition in coaching staff. I know it sounds like Im freaking out, but Im just disappointed is all. I mean I just dont know how you can convince the good players to come here, when our attendance issues have been known nationally, and our 2 million coach isnt happy (even if he says he is). The only hope is that we find the education desired athletes that didnt committ to Stanford, ND or the ivy league (FCS).
If you think SMU is going to be reduced to taking kids whose other options were ivies then you really need to relax. Go look at the other offers of kids who have committed, I do not think you will see many/any ivy league offers. I agree that it could be make recruiting more challenging if the head coach is perceived to be a short timer, but there is a long way between that and taking ivy league rejects.
The ivy thing wasnt serious but the athletes who desire a good education would be most of the possible recruits, because we can sell the sports atmosphere here. We cant sell a happy coach who will be here til he retires. We can sell a big stadium or BCS facilities or IPF. All we have our promises, education, and Big East. Promises that we are building and developing and pursuing the best available options. Education that we are top tier university and great connections with fortune 500 companies. The move to the Big East, but sadly these recruits most likely gets, "Oh big east well thats just CUSA with an AQ" or ESPNs constant Big East Champ shouldnt even go to BCS bowls until they actually hit Top 10, yadda yadda. I mean I understand that Im probably a little extreme since it has only been 3 days, but I think there are some valid points that I made regarding our recruiting situation.
SMU fans complaining about June Jones not wearing school colors/embracing SMU's traditions is as ridiculous as June Jones complaining about attendance/not enough support for the football team. SMU has historically had bad attendance so as Mark Rydel said, he either did not do any research or has not done his part in putting together a desirable product. On the other hand, June Jones never embraced any of Hawaii's traditions. What makes you think he will embrace SMU's traditions? I agree that he would be smart to embrace them and gain the moral support of our alums, but remember he completely revamped the Hawaii athletic department. They were the Rainbow Warriors when he arrived and are now the Warriors. Their helmets had a rainbow decal on them and now have an H. I am not defending him or SMU, but both sides knew what they were getting into when they agreed to the union so let's deal with it.
mustangxc wrote:SMU fans complaining about June Jones not wearing school colors/embracing SMU's traditions is as ridiculous as June Jones complaining about attendance/not enough support for the football team. SMU has historically had bad attendance so as Mark Rydel said, he either did not do any research or has not done his part in putting together a desirable product. On the other hand, June Jones never embraced any of Hawaii's traditions. What makes you think he will embrace SMU's traditions? I agree that he would be smart to embrace them and gain the moral support of our alums, but remember he completely revamped the Hawaii athletic department. They were the Rainbow Warriors when he arrived and are now the Warriors. Their helmets had a rainbow decal on them and now have an H. I am not defending him or SMU, but both sides knew what they were getting into when they agreed to the union so let's deal with it.
I understand that. He does wear the lei. The most he seems to wear the AFB black SMU cap. Changing rainbow warriors to warriors to make them less fruity was a plus. Adding Justice and Liberty was unnecessary, etc.
Not defending the man, but he knew that he had two decades of crap to fix. In the latest from the DMN, he says that things were much worse here than what he thought.
He was also used to being a big fish in a little pond (Hawai'i). Now he has to compete with the pro teams here, who have considerable marketing and winning prowess, but also with the lack of in-town loyalty to the university (so many people in this town have ties to universities other than SMU). He's not the only show in town.
From an outsider's perspective (that is, no knowledge of athletic budgets and all of the stuff that goes on with in the athletic/school administration), I wouldn't be surprised if he found things in worse shape than he was told or could imagine. Who has full access to all information when they do accept a new job?
In four years here, we've upgraded recruiting, facilities, conference affiliation, and are in our third bowl. Am I satisfied? No. I'm disappointed in the lack of offensive production in particular. But we are much better then where we've been.
mustangxc wrote:SMU fans complaining about June Jones not wearing school colors/embracing SMU's traditions is as ridiculous as June Jones complaining about attendance/not enough support for the football team. SMU has historically had bad attendance so as Mark Rydel said, he either did not do any research or has not done his part in putting together a desirable product. On the other hand, June Jones never embraced any of Hawaii's traditions. What makes you think he will embrace SMU's traditions? I agree that he would be smart to embrace them and gain the moral support of our alums, but remember he completely revamped the Hawaii athletic department. They were the Rainbow Warriors when he arrived and are now the Warriors. Their helmets had a rainbow decal on them and now have an H. I am not defending him or SMU, but both sides knew what they were getting into when they agreed to the union so let's deal with it.
I understand that. He does wear the lei. The most he seems to wear the AFB black SMU cap. Changing rainbow warriors to warriors to make them less fruity was a plus. Adding Justice and Liberty was unnecessary, etc.
On the outside looking in our shetland pony looks very weak. Two large horses give us a much more imposing presence. I can tell you that when I first saw the pony and heard that the team referred to itself as the ponies I was very perplexed. I embrace it now, but to an outsider like June, it is no different and very necessary.
mustangxc wrote:SMU fans complaining about June Jones not wearing school colors/embracing SMU's traditions is as ridiculous as June Jones complaining about attendance/not enough support for the football team. SMU has historically had bad attendance so as Mark Rydel said, he either did not do any research or has not done his part in putting together a desirable product. On the other hand, June Jones never embraced any of Hawaii's traditions. What makes you think he will embrace SMU's traditions? I agree that he would be smart to embrace them and gain the moral support of our alums, but remember he completely revamped the Hawaii athletic department. They were the Rainbow Warriors when he arrived and are now the Warriors. Their helmets had a rainbow decal on them and now have an H. I am not defending him or SMU, but both sides knew what they were getting into when they agreed to the union so let's deal with it.
None of these issues are of any particular importance as long as Jones does the best he can to recruit and coach talented prospects and keeps up the high graduation rate. I have been around a long time. Nobody wanted to fire Dave Smith when he changed the uniforms to resemble Ohio State's and I heard very few grumbles when Ron Meyer moved the team out of Doak's house for the sterile environment of Texas Stadium. Matty Bell, arguably our greatest coach,(before my time but I saw pictures) wore a top coat and fedora. Let's focus on doing what we can do as fans to help encourage family, friends, and neighbors to fill up the stadium instead of carping about June's black shirt.
with traditions it is better to educate the outsider then it is to change the tradition. Thats what makes them traditions.
As long as peruna is not changed it doesnt bother me to have the horses. Some of these schools bring so much crap (bells, cannons, dudes with black hats, dudes with white hats, animals in cages etc...) that for us to add a couple of horses is really not that big a deal. Have to admit i have gotten use to them and it is fine. We actually could use a bit more going on.
mustangxc wrote:SMU fans complaining about June Jones not wearing school colors/embracing SMU's traditions is as ridiculous as June Jones complaining about attendance/not enough support for the football team. SMU has historically had bad attendance so as Mark Rydel said, he either did not do any research or has not done his part in putting together a desirable product. On the other hand, June Jones never embraced any of Hawaii's traditions. What makes you think he will embrace SMU's traditions? I agree that he would be smart to embrace them and gain the moral support of our alums, but remember he completely revamped the Hawaii athletic department. They were the Rainbow Warriors when he arrived and are now the Warriors. Their helmets had a rainbow decal on them and now have an H. I am not defending him or SMU, but both sides knew what they were getting into when they agreed to the union so let's deal with it.
I understand that. He does wear the lei. The most he seems to wear the AFB black SMU cap. Changing rainbow warriors to warriors to make them less fruity was a plus. Adding Justice and Liberty was unnecessary, etc.
To us native/indigenous peoples a rainbow is not fruity. He should not have changed that. It's disrepectful to us to change things like that. That's part of our cultures. Long hair and braids are not fruity etc.
