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sbsmith wrote:

PK wrote:We have an ex NFL coach now and look at our recruiting. Do we really want ex NFL coaches with no prior college HC experience?

Depends on the guy and his willingness to embrace what it takes to win in the collegiate game (recruiting). We'd be better served going getting a current college assistant/HC, someone that already understands the game and is willing to put in the work necessary to build the program.

Didn't hurt ucla to hire Jim Mora.

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well travelled pony wrote:

sbsmith wrote:

PK wrote:We have an ex NFL coach now and look at our recruiting. Do we really want ex NFL coaches with no prior college HC experience?

Depends on the guy and his willingness to embrace what it takes to win in the collegiate game (recruiting). We'd be better served going getting a current college assistant/HC, someone that already understands the game and is willing to put in the work necessary to build the program.

Didn't hurt ucla to hire Jim Mora.

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True, that's why I said it depends on the guy.

Jim Mora was only acceptable because he hired 3 ace recruiting all with LA backgrounds and about 6 coaches would were recognized as strong recruiters. Jim Mora with a bunch of over age NFL rejects would be toast by now and they'd be looking for a new coach. There is an incredible infusion of young talent driving UCLA's emergence-Jim Mora is a long for the ride.

Stallion wrote:Jim Mora was only acceptable because he hired 3 ace recruiting all with LA backgrounds and about 6 coaches would were recognized as strong recruiters. Jim Mora with a bunch of over age NFL rejects would be toast by now and they'd be looking for a new coach. There is an incredible infusion of young talent driving UCLA's emergence-Jim Mora is a long for the ride.

No, Jim Mora is in charge. He was smart enough to understand the dynamics of present day college football. But, that is part of the point. He had zero college experience, but had enough interest to put up a staff that could bring him the talent. Hiring an ex-NFL coach can work, if they can get the right type of staff. It worked at ucla, could work at SMU.

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well travelled pony wrote:

Stallion wrote:Jim Mora was only acceptable because he hired 3 ace recruiting all with LA backgrounds and about 6 coaches would were recognized as strong recruiters. Jim Mora with a bunch of over age NFL rejects would be toast by now and they'd be looking for a new coach. There is an incredible infusion of young talent driving UCLA's emergence-Jim Mora is a long for the ride.

No, Jim Mora is in charge. He was smart enough to understand the dynamics of present day college football. But, that is part of the point. He had zero college experience, but had enough interest to put up a staff that could bring him the talent. Hiring an ex-NFL coach can work, if they can get the right type of staff. It worked at ucla, could work at SMU.

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We need to dispel the notion that an ex-NFL coach would not do well at SMU. Heck, getting into the NFL is what these players should aspire toward. If they did not aspire to one day make it to the NFL, I would not necessarily want them as recruits. If we can assume that the recruits aspire to reach the NFL, then how can it not be a positive to have coaches with former NFL experience on staff to help them understand what discipline and skill sets are necessary to make it?

In the case of hiring Brian Schottenheimer and bringing in his father, Marty, as an assistant, as I have suggested, imagine Bill Cowher, Mike Tomlin, Marvin Lewis, Ken Wisenhunt, Herm Edwards, Tony Dungy, Lovie Smith and/or Rod Marinelli being invited to team practices, offering the team their wealth of knowledge about playing in the NFL. All of these aforementioned coaches are linked to Marty Schottenheimer through the coaching tree in one way or another, and this link could be huge advantage in getting recruits to commit to SMU.

slapon wrote:
We need to dispel the notion that an ex-NFL coach would not do well at SMU. Heck, getting into the NFL is what these players should aspire toward. If they did not aspire to one day make it to the NFL, I would not necessarily want them as recruits. If we can assume that the recruits aspire to reach the NFL, then how can it not be a positive to have coaches with former NFL experience on staff to help them understand what discipline and skill sets are necessary to make it?

We've had these NFL types on staff before, all their knowledge is meaningless if they can't recruit. Unlike the NFL, college football doesn't have a draft, free agency or trades to bring in talent.

another name we might want to consider is Dave Wannstedt. Lots of experience in both the pros and college. Had some outstanding recruiting classes at Pitt.

Recruiting IS the name of the game. In fact, last night The Whorens and Bama's recruiting classes were compared after the NCG at the Rose Bowl. Alabama has successfully placed a large number of players in the NFL while the Whorens have completely sucked. Recruiting is important.

TidePony wrote:Recruiting IS the name of the game. In fact, last night The Whorens and Bama's recruiting classes were compared after the NCG at the Rose Bowl. Alabama has successfully placed a large number of players in the NFL while the Whorens have completely sucked. Recruiting is important.

I had a rather different perspective on that set of stats, which I thought was very interesting. It seems to be that it is evidence that a recruits "stars" are by no means the whole story. Texas gets very highly rated recruits year after year and have been unable to turn them into a NC contender or even close in recent years. That smells like coaching to me. Obviously the physical attributes have to be there in most cases but I saw that stat as reflecting the coaching of Saban.

As you saw Saturday, UT has plenty of talent but QB along with hockey goalie are the most important positions in any sport but Mack and staff haven't targeted the right QBs. The last two Heisman winners wanted to go to UT but Mack didn't see them as a QB. If RG3 or Manziel had went to UT they would've been in the national championship hunt the past few years. I bet A&M does not finish above .500 last year without Manziel, same for this year but Manziel is an incredible talent and will likely win his second Heisman this year. He makes the receivers, linemen, RBs all look better because he is such a weapon.

yeah but its more than just QB at Texas. Didn't they give up 650+ yards (actually 679) at BYU with the BYU QB running for over 200 (actually 279) on simple options. They actually looked strong in first half against Mississippi but again couldn't handle the run in second half. Texas has played soft on both lines. Saturday they decided to challenge OU with a bit of Smash Mouth FB

No doubt they've played soft and without passion. If I'm a UT fan, that OU game would've frustrated me to no end. Where has that effort been? But to my point, if they had a badass QB, or even slightly above average QB that team would have a completely different feel. They have serious talent up and down the roster, just not at the most important position. btw, lookout next year, when they get that QB from Denton Ryan it may at all change. He's a good. Put him with Gray and that #4 receiver, lookout.

No doubt they've played soft and without passion. If I'm a UT fan, that OU game would've frustrated me to no end. Where has that effort been? But to my point, if they had a badass QB, or even slightly above average QB that team would have a completely different feel. They have serious talent up and down the roster, just not at the most important position. btw, lookout next year, when they get that QB from Denton Ryan it may at all change. He's a good. Put him with Gray and that #4 receiver, lookout.

TidePony wrote:Recruiting IS the name of the game. In fact, last night The Whorens and Bama's recruiting classes were compared after the NCG at the Rose Bowl. Alabama has successfully placed a large number of players in the NFL while the Whorens have completely sucked. Recruiting is important.

Your Boy Saban is the best. When he is recruiting kids, he actually seeks to have a one on one to "solicit" pointers from the coaches of these 4 and 5 star recruits on how to best utilize these players. Now these meetings are complete bs, but could you imagine what the high school coaches think about him after they get a sit down with him and he is asking them questions. Saban is a recruiting genius.

redpony wrote:another name we might want to consider is Dave Wannstedt. Lots of experience in both the pros and college. Had some outstanding recruiting classes at Pitt.

Phil would black-ball us here too.