Cool Offense June!!!

[CacheMoneyMustang]

Good Point, but Bennett got us to 6-6, most years that should have been good enough.

YES, June was a breath of fresh air, but I am just pointing out that he has not done much better than the coaches before him...Certainly not $2mill a year better. June very well could have been the right coach at the right time for us...BUt, we are never going to the next level with him. Be happy with 7 wins a year if you want.

We could and should do better.

I think JJ was the right coach at the right time, as the two consecutive bowl games show. Don't know how many times I have to keep saying this, but the $2M was not just for what JJ brings to the table but consider it a cost for those decades of losing because we didn't give a crap.

...I think most people thought JJ would be a great stepping stone, and so far that has been proven correct.

[shadowman]

What Jones did was bring the gravitas necessary to get the BOT and the administration off their collective butts and change the restrictive policies that hampered us in getting quality, competitive athletes. An up and comer could not have come in and forced the changes to be made that were necessary. Now Jones has the task of playing catch up with recruits not only in talent but also depth. That takes time and personally I believe he is ahead of schedule. And when he does leave, and it will be on his terms, we will not have to make the multimillion dollar hire that we did with him unless we wish to, not because we had to.

Post of the day. You are right, and frankly, I did not consider that. June kicked hard to shake off the cob webs of the death penalty and freed him self up, and all future coaches from unnecessary impediments.

I still think that June is over the hill and just collecting a MUCH bigger check than he deserves, but we are moving in the right direction.

[SMU21TCU10]

I agree, Shadowman, that Coach Bennett did beat TCU, their only loss of the year.
But remember how Texas A&M beat us 56-10 the following weekend?

66-8 . Glad I made that trip

[SMU21TCU10]

What Jones did was bring the gravitas necessary to get the BOT and the administration off their collective butts and change the restrictive policies that hampered us in getting quality, competitive athletes. An up and comer could not have come in and forced the changes to be made that were necessary. Now Jones has the task of playing catch up with recruits not only in talent but also depth. That takes time and personally I believe he is ahead of schedule. And when he does leave, and it will be on his terms, we will not have to make the multimillion dollar hire that we did with him unless we wish to, not because we had to.

Post of the day. You are right, and frankly, I did not consider that. June kicked hard to shake off the cob webs of the death penalty and freed him self up, and all future coaches from unnecessary impediments.

I still think that June is over the hill and just collecting a MUCH bigger check than he deserves, but we are moving in the right direction.

I think as a non-BCS team we will always have to pay top dollar for any good coach in order to keep him. Even if we take a coordinator from somewhere that has never been a head coach before, if he has 2 good seasons he will be off to one of the big schools with a coaching vacancy. Unless we are paying him as much as he would make at a big BCS school. Hard to find a Chris Peterson.

[Treadway21]

Shadowman,

Couldn't you have just bumped your JJ should retire thread?

[shadowman]

What Jones did was bring the gravitas necessary to get the BOT and the administration off their collective butts and change the restrictive policies that hampered us in getting quality, competitive athletes. An up and comer could not have come in and forced the changes to be made that were necessary. Now Jones has the task of playing catch up with recruits not only in talent but also depth. That takes time and personally I believe he is ahead of schedule. And when he does leave, and it will be on his terms, we will not have to make the multimillion dollar hire that we did with him unless we wish to, not because we had to.

Post of the day. You are right, and frankly, I did not consider that. June kicked hard to shake off the cob webs of the death penalty and freed him self up, and all future coaches from unnecessary impediments.

I still think that June is over the hill and just collecting a MUCH bigger check than he deserves, but we are moving in the right direction.

I think as a non-BCS team we will always have to pay top dollar for any good coach in order to keep him. Even if we take a coordinator from somewhere that has never been a head coach before, if he has 2 good seasons he will be off to one of the big schools with a coaching vacancy. Unless we are paying him as much as he would make at a big BCS school. Hard to find a Chris Peterson.

Yes, but we paid BCS money as a non-AQ conference school. Was it worth it? could we have done better?" I honestly don't know. But, I think we paid June way too much for very little gain. Maybe it is just the business owner in me. I hope I am wrong and SMU is the national champ (or at least conference champs) next year.

[Big Hoss]

http://www.ponyfans.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=49532&hilit=offense+outdated

Shadowman, offer new opinions, or shut up.

Wow, 2100 posts in just 3+ years, you must be really smart. I am offering my opinion and I think I can keep saying them and defending as long as I like.

So I tell you to offer new opinions, and you talk about my post count? Wow, you really got the better of me on that one!

If you would rather that we pay some coach $500k a year, and we can keep wallowing as a team where mediocrity would be an improvement, then go be a North Texas fan. No one is happy we lost, but you've clearly got anger issues.

[shadowman]

http://www.ponyfans.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=49532&hilit=offense+outdated

Shadowman, offer new opinions, or shut up.

Wow, 2100 posts in just 3+ years, you must be really smart. I am offering my opinion and I think I can keep saying them and defending as long as I like.

So I tell you to offer new opinions, and you talk about my post count? Wow, you really got the better of me on that one!

If you would rather that we pay some coach $500k a year, and we can keep wallowing as a team where mediocrity would be an improvement, then go be a North Texas fan. No one is happy we lost, but you've clearly got anger issues.

All you said was I offered no new opinions and pointed to an older post. I think I offered plenty of opinions, some the same , but some different.

I guess I should give you credit though, because you went fishing and found my last "[deleted]" thread. You must be a fan boy!

[Big Hoss]

All you said was I offered no new opinions and pointed to an older post. I think I offered plenty of opinions, some the same , but some different.

I guess I should give you credit though, because you went fishing and found my last "[deleted]" thread. You must be a fan boy!

Different wrapper, same crap.

[shadowman]

All you said was I offered no new opinions and pointed to an older post. I think I offered plenty of opinions, some the same , but some different.

I guess I should give you credit though, because you went fishing and found my last "[deleted]" thread. You must be a fan boy!

Different wrapper, same crap.

Nice one, I offer constructive criticism, want to have an open discussion, and June Jones [deleted] kissers try and ruin it.

Eariler people hated on Todd Graham and Tulsa, saying how June dominated them. Well, we finished at 7-6, getting dominated in the champ game, and Tulsa sits at 9-3 WITH a win in South Bend over 100k Irish fans...which season is better?

[Big Hoss]

Nice one, I offer constructive criticism, want to have an open discussion, and June Jones [deleted] kissers try and ruin it.

Eariler people hated on Todd Graham and Tulsa, saying how June dominated them. Well, we finished at 7-6, getting dominated in the champ game, and Tulsa sits at 9-3 WITH a win in South Bend over 100k Irish fans...which season is better?

I don't see how your criticism is constructive at all. In your own words, it's "[deleted]", and we all saw and responded to it in your thread a couple weeks ago. If you don't see the difference, then I guess we can agree to disagree.

Did Tulsa have a better season? Yes. No brainer. But Tulsa also had success BEFORE Todd Graham got there, so their cupboard wasn't as bare as ours was when June got here.

I get frustrated with June as well, but you rail on our season like we've done absolutely nothing, and that is what gets tiring. The level of talent coming in is better, and as others have pointed out, and you have conceded, it's doubtful many other coaches could have gotten the powers that be to get our admissions policies more in-line with the competition.

Can we at least agree that we are better off with June than what we were with Rossley, Cavan, and Bennett, ignoring the size of their paychecks? Were at least half our losses within our reach this year? Definitely, and it pisses me off that we didn't win them. We're going to our 2nd bowl game in a row since the days of the Pony Express, so we have to be doing something right.

[Comet]

Agreed with BigHoss, it's as if the OP does not have any sense of long term planning and management. As a business owner, I don't understand how he can not see the price of the investment of Jones, especially with the recruitment he is bringing in. It's been lightyears ahead of anything we've seen here in the past two decades... but whatever, continue to flame away. I'm not falling for the troll bait any more.

[ontheedgeofmyseat]

Then he said Shadowman is a complete ding dong..and then I said he is simply a spoiled little prickely fan without much sense, then he said.....

[SMUnewbie]

this is really entertaining! More please

[Insane_Pony_Posse]

yeah we really need to replace June Jones with Todd Graham after June has beaten
Todd Graham two years straight, after June gets us to the Conference Championship,
and another bowl game! And forgive me, how many Sugar Bowls has Todd Graham
coached?