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Mountain Mustang wrote:Circumstantial evidence doesn't hold up in court and it shouldn't here either.

CalallenStang wrote:

Mountain Mustang wrote:Circumstantial evidence doesn't hold up in court and it shouldn't here either.

Okay then. Never mind all the court cases that have literally turned on circumstatial evidence. Never mind that civil courts reach decisions based upon preponderance of the evidence.Preponderance of the evidence has nothing to do with circumstantial evidence. Just the burden of proof in civil vs. criminal cases. Point of clarity, I should have said hearsay, not circumstantial evidence. My bad. Circumstantial evidence usually requires more of it to prove a fact.

And when a recruit that was between SMU and Nebraska gives a verbal to ASU while June is looking to take that job, then backs off his commitment (and commits to Nebraska) when ASU doesn't hire him, that's interesting evidence, circumstatial though it may be.How bout this scenario. Recruit wants to play for Jones or play for an AQ school next season. Hears Jones is considering or believes his departure to ASU is definite and commits. When it falls apart he goes to the AQ school. It's certainly possible that Jones didn't recruit him to ASU. You think he did, but it's possible and reasonable that he didn't.

And when a recruit that chose SMU says that June said he would take him "with him to ASU," there's nothing even circumstatial about that.If he said this, it could very likely have said something to the effect "I really like you and would want you to be with me where ever I'm head coach." I think as a coach/recruiter you want a kid to believe in you and that's a way of helping to sell him on it.

And when June says that he didn't want to go to ASU because of his commitments here in Dallas, contradicting what his own agent said in addition to what virtually all of the news media and ASU insiders were reporting, it shows that he has some reason to deny interest in the job.The way I understood the situation Jones wasn't ever offered the job. It was offered to Steinberg and then fell through before Jones signed off on it. A technicality yes, but it would make a lot of sense to do this if you're Jones/Steinberg for deniability purposes.

And to jpe747's post - We are now an AQ school whose job pays far better than most other schools (something we couldn't say until the recommitment was made when we hired Jones) and where academic restrictions are now competitive with those at other schools (couldn't say that until Jones got here as well). To argue that we would suddenly fall back to below mediocre if June left is to simply ignore the basic facts of the situation.

SMU 86 wrote:Let's move forward. June did what he did and now he is here whether he wants to be or not. It might be a marriage of convenience or it might be true love but regardless of what it really is June and SMU have each for the foreseeable future and we probably should to make the best of it. It might not be easy but it is what it is.

RyanSMU98 wrote:

SMU 86 wrote:Let's move forward. June did what he did and now he is here whether he wants to be or not. It might be a marriage of convenience or it might be true love but regardless of what it really is June and SMU have each for the foreseeable future and we probably should to make the best of it. It might not be easy but it is what it is.

THIS. Look, we all feel that some funny business went on that left many of us somewhat disillusioned about the man we tapped to lead our team to bigger and better things. But the realities are that a) he has in fact taken a bottom 10 team into a BCS conference which everyone thought was a ridiculous proposition and b) for whatever amount of time into the future, whether a year or ten, he is still the man in charge of our team. Clearly, regardless of circumstances he has made peace with Orsini and the CofC, and their insights and opinions about the whole situation are likely better informed and more insightful that anything any of us knows. If they are willing to forgive and move on, so am I. That said, next year will be truly telling about how "recommitted" Jones & Co. are to SMU and continuing our climb. If he is not, it will likely become obvious very quickly, and again I will trust the judgement of those in the know to make the best decision for our program because in the final analysis, it is not about the man but about the program and ensuring its continued ascent. Right now, the powers that be believe in June Jones as the best way to achieve that progress and I'm willing to let by-gones be by-gones and see what he can do.

CalallenStang wrote: I don't think that Orsini made the right move regarding the situation, but in the end, he's the decision maker (for better or worse).

redpony wrote:

CalallenStang wrote: I don't think that Orsini made the right move regarding the situation, but in the end, he's the decision maker (for better or worse).

Cal- I suspect that SO was not the decision maker in that situation. I think it was probably the CofC who had to decide if they wanted to cough up another 4-6 mill for his buyout and the buyout of a new coach or smile and realize they had gotten taken. End of the season will be interesting- especially if JJ falters. JMHO

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