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Johnny Utah wrote:Am I wrong that the "Larry Brown Formula" is the only proven way to go? I'm stunned how anyone wants to take a gamble on an unproven coordinator on the rise. Big schools can gamble on coordinators. Not SMU. Come on everyone, do you all really want to waste 5 years? I mean, wasn't that what Phil Bennett was? Bennett was a great D-Coordinator at K-State, had Texas roots, had energy, focused on the metroplex etc...

How can you even begin to compare Bennett's tenure to any "unprove coordinator on the rise." When Stallion sees your post, he will dismantle it (admissions are better, etc - I'll let him handle that).

Larry Brown is one of the top 5-10 basketball coaches EVER (Pop, Auerbach, Phil Jackson, Coach K, Pitino...). A coach with the LB's pedigree is not walking through this door. Retread coaches rarely work out. See retread coaches who have failed over the past few years: Charlie Weis, Ron Turner, Norm Chow. I'd be curious if you could name a coach outside of George O'Leary, who was a retread that actually was successful.

You named Mike Singletary and Raheem Morris. Neither person has ANY college coaching experience this millennium (Morris coached at Cornell and Hofstra for a total of 3 years in 1997).

Let's take a look at "no name off/def coordinators," who were successful. In parenthesis are their records over the first 3-4 years.
-Mark Richt, former FSU OC, current UGA HC (42-10) (2001-2004)
-Jimbo Fisher, Former FSU OC, current FSU HC (45-10) (2010-2013)
-Ruffin Mcneil, former TTU DC, current ECU HC (29-22) (2010-2013)
-Dabo Swiney, former Clemson WR coach, current Clemson HC (29-19) (2008-2011) He was an interim coach in 2008, and I left out the last 2 years, where he went 22-4
-Mike Gundy, former OC OSU, current OSU HC (27-23) (2005-2008)
-Charlie Strong, former DC UF, former HC L'ville, Current HC UT (37-14) (2010-2013)
-Kliff Kingsbury, former TAMU OC, Current TTU HC (8-5) (2013)
-Mark Helfrich, former OU OC, Current OU HC (11-2) (2013)
-David Shaw, former Stanford OC, Current Stanford HC (34-7) (2011-2013)
-Gus Malzahn, former Auburn OC, former ASU HC, current Auburn HC (21-5) (2012-2013)

Looks pretty stellar to me, and that is a small sample size.

Good night PFs.

Crong wrote:Ron Washington
#toosoon?

Said no one ever

SMU Section F wrote:I've heard Rick Neuheisel.

Fun Fact: His son Jack is apparently on our roster at WR. (How did I not know this?)

Cuz he sucks?

Harry0569 wrote:

Johnny Utah wrote:Am I wrong that the "Larry Brown Formula" is the only proven way to go? I'm stunned how anyone wants to take a gamble on an unproven coordinator on the rise. Big schools can gamble on coordinators. Not SMU. Come on everyone, do you all really want to waste 5 years? I mean, wasn't that what Phil Bennett was? Bennett was a great D-Coordinator at K-State, had Texas roots, had energy, focused on the metroplex etc...

How can you even begin to compare Bennett's tenure to any "unprove coordinator on the rise." When Stallion sees your post, he will dismantle it (admissions are better, etc - I'll let him handle that).

Larry Brown is one of the top 5-10 basketball coaches EVER (Pop, Auerbach, Phil Jackson, Coach K, Pitino...). A coach with the LB's pedigree is not walking through this door. Retread coaches rarely work out. See retread coaches who have failed over the past few years: Charlie Weis, Ron Turner, Norm Chow. I'd be curious if you could name a coach outside of George O'Leary, who was a retread that actually was successful.

You named Mike Singletary and Raheem Morris. Neither person has ANY college coaching experience this millennium (Morris coached at Cornell and Hofstra for a total of 3 years in 1997).

Let's take a look at "no name off/def coordinators," who were successful. In parenthesis are their records over the first 3-4 years.
-Mark Richt, former FSU OC, current UGA HC (42-10) (2001-2004)
-Jimbo Fisher, Former FSU OC, current FSU HC (45-10) (2010-2013)
-Ruffin Mcneil, former TTU DC, current ECU HC (29-22) (2010-2013)
-Dabo Swiney, former Clemson WR coach, current Clemson HC (29-19) (2008-2011) He was an interim coach in 2008, and I left out the last 2 years, where he went 22-4
-Mike Gundy, former OC OSU, current OSU HC (27-23) (2005-2008)
-Charlie Strong, former DC UF, former HC L'ville, Current HC UT (37-14) (2010-2013)
-Kliff Kingsbury, former TAMU OC, Current TTU HC (8-5) (2013)
-Mark Helfrich, former OU OC, Current OU HC (11-2) (2013)
-David Shaw, former Stanford OC, Current Stanford HC (34-7) (2011-2013)
-Gus Malzahn, former Auburn OC, former ASU HC, current Auburn HC (21-5) (2012-2013)

Looks pretty stellar to me, and that is a small sample size.

I'd argue that big schools cant gamble, as there ADs/fanbases have a MUCH shorter leash with regards to success.

Bro, did you just quote yourself?

Hahahaha!! JIMBO at FSU!! you win!! Yeah, your right, they have a horrible player pool down at FSU!!.... Maybe I missed your statistics but please tell me: what is the success rate of coordinators at level 2 schools ???? All of the schools you mentioned are basically historic football factories..... I'm not talking retread by the way. I'm talking about a NAMED coach that we perhaps have to steal.... A recruit has to be able to justify his SMU selection. When a recruit says "Larry Brown" everyone including ESPN shuts up.

Maybe I'm alone, but with the changing college football landscape, SMU may only have 4 years tops to do something.....and you guys want to roll the dice on an unproven commodity?

There is no football equivalent of Larry Brown.

Nick Satan... Boom!

Most of the best hirers by teams in this part of the country had no major head coaching experience

Patterson TCU
Briles UH
Leach Tech
Teaff Baylor
Sumlin UH
Switzer OU
Stoops OU
Darryl Royal had 1 year at Washington
Snyder Kansas St
Broyles Arkansas
Gundy Oklahoma St
Yeoman UH
Ron Meyer Division 1AA at UNLV
Tom Osborne Nebraska
Mangino at Kansas
Les Miles Oklahoma St
Todd Graham Rice

It might take... MIGHT TAKE, John Gruden 2 years to go to a BCS game...... BUT THERE ARE LARRY BROWN NAMES OUT THERE.....

Switzer is the only one that come close on that list

Hey guys, so John gruden

We need that guy cuz he'll get rid of your accept by making you say football words stupidly

Johnny Utah wrote:It might take... MIGHT TAKE, John Gruden 2 years to go to a BCS game...... BUT THERE ARE LARRY BROWN NAMES OUT THERE.....

Name one, and Jon Gruden isn't one.