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SMUstangs22 · Post by **SMUstangs22** » Tue Nov 11, 2014 6:10 pm

I am starting to get sick of people slamming MKs intellectual capacity. Reading level is more of an indication of past education. Lets just support MK and hope for the best.

White Helmet · Post by **White Helmet** » Tue Nov 11, 2014 6:25 pm

Rebel10 wrote:
White Helmet wrote:Actually I know exactly the kind of students that get admitted. I've tutored/taught them at state schools. Sure SMU is keeping mk from making money, jut like we did with Mudiay and the other pg last year, oh we're not. If he reads at a 7th grade level he doesn't belong in college. When we move to a pro college system then fine they can play for college teams.

Another bad analogy on Mudiay and Markus. Mudiay did not miss any games but went straight into the pros. Markus is going to miss games which could affect his stock. Markus could have gone pro last year and at least played overseas but decided to come back to SMU. Interesting how people are turning on this young man. Kind of like a horse that has run well and now is not but those same people that were cheering for him are ready to send him to the glue factory.

Him being able to leave is my entire point. He was eligible last season and played. If the work was too much he could have left. No one forced him to come back

well travelled pony · Post by **well travelled pony** » Tue Nov 11, 2014 6:29 pm

Nacho wrote:you know zero about jeff.

Not to pick an Internet fight, but nacho, you don't know me. Yes, I knew Jeff, since day one at McGinnis. David Stanley too. T Mann too. Jerry Ball. So, yeah...

Jeff was a pretty good guy, he just couldn't shake some of his past. All I know is what I saw and heard. Not proud to see him get caught up. It was sad. Ruined his head.

Go Ponies!

SMU 86 · Post by **SMU 86** » Tue Nov 11, 2014 6:32 pm

White Helmet wrote:
Rebel10 wrote:
White Helmet wrote:Actually I know exactly the kind of students that get admitted. I've tutored/taught them at state schools. Sure SMU is keeping mk from making money, jut like we did with Mudiay and the other pg last year, oh we're not. If he reads at a 7th grade level he doesn't belong in college. When we move to a pro college system then fine they can play for college teams.

Another bad analogy on Mudiay and Markus. Mudiay did not miss any games but went straight into the pros. Markus is going to miss games which could affect his stock. Markus could have gone pro last year and at least played overseas but decided to come back to SMU. Interesting how people are turning on this young man. Kind of like a horse that has run well and now is not but those same people that were cheering for him are ready to send him to the glue factory.

Him being able to leave is my entire point. He was eligible last season and played. If the work was too much he could have left. No one forced him to come back

He might have been asked to come back by the coaches and trusted the coaches. These kids trust the coaches. They may have told him if he came back that he could improve his draft stock and he trusted them.

Stallion · Post by **Stallion** » Tue Nov 11, 2014 6:33 pm

There's a long 3 page intensive story on Jeff Atkins published in the FWST about a decade ago lost somewhere on the internet -I know the Jeff Atkins story at least up that date

SMU 86 · Post by **SMU 86** » Tue Nov 11, 2014 6:34 pm

well travelled pony wrote:
Nacho wrote:you know zero about jeff.

Not to pick an Internet fight, but nacho, you don't know me. Yes, I knew Jeff, since day one at McGinnis. David Stanley too. T Mann too. Jerry Ball. So, yeah...

Jeff was a pretty good guy, he just couldn't shake some of his past. All I know is what I saw and heard. Not proud to see him get caught up. It was sad. Ruined his head.

Go Ponies!

I think Jeff had a drinking problem and that is why he left the team originally. I think he was trying to help some help. I had a class with him and he was a good guy.

ojaipony · Post by **ojaipony** » Tue Nov 11, 2014 6:37 pm

SMUstangs22 wrote:I am starting to get sick of people slamming MKs intellectual capacity. Reading level is more of an indication of past education. Lets just support MK and hope for the best.

Great post.

SMU 86 · Post by **SMU 86** » Tue Nov 11, 2014 6:45 pm

ojaipony wrote:
SMUstangs22 wrote:I am starting to get sick of people slamming MKs intellectual capacity. Reading level is more of an indication of past education. Lets just support MK and hope for the best.

Great post.

Agreed, but I don't think it is usually something that is quickly fixed in only a couple of years. Not enough to get past upper level college history classes anyway. I wish him the best.

SMUstangs22 · Post by **SMUstangs22** » Tue Nov 11, 2014 6:52 pm

SMU 86 wrote:
ojaipony wrote:
SMUstangs22 wrote:I am starting to get sick of people slamming MKs intellectual capacity. Reading level is more of an indication of past education. Lets just support MK and hope for the best.

Great post.

Agreed, but I don't think it is usually something that is quickly fixed in only a couple of years. Not enough to get past upper level college history classes anyway. I wish him the best.

I agree. However this experience in the History program should at least help this (regardless of other harmful effects).

I have talked to him twice (once when he was pissed with what may have been this issue) and I never got the impression he was not smart. I just want us to cut the young man some slack.

Pony64 · Post by **Pony64** » Tue Nov 11, 2014 8:06 pm

Great post.[/quote]
Agreed, but I don't think it is usually something that is quickly fixed in only a couple of years. Not enough to get past upper level college history classes anyway. I wish him the best.[/quote]

I agree. However this experience in the History program should at least help this (regardless of other harmful effects).

I have talked to him twice (once when he was [deleted] with what may have been this issue) and I never got the impression he was not smart. I just want us to cut the young man some slack.[/quote]

Absolutely. Could not agree more.

couch 'em · Post by **couch 'em** » Tue Nov 11, 2014 8:25 pm

White Helmet wrote:Im saying lets say a kid was accepted to a top rate med school, but is failing a history class. Should he be allowed to pass the history class because of his other earning potential?

Med School and History are both academic pursuits. It isn't a stretch to say someone capable of getting into medschool could pass history classes. Meanwhile, pretty much everyone who shows up to Wellness and half tries at all passes it. Athlete:history::scholar:wellness.

Now if the future med student isn't capable of passing history for some reason, say language barrier, and gets a pass......that happens all the time with the Indian and Chinese in the engineering school. Also happens with the affluent arabs who blatantly cheat. I had a prof outright tell me he doesn't stop it because they pay full tuition and go back to Arabia.

SMUstangs22 · Post by **SMUstangs22** » Tue Nov 11, 2014 8:34 pm

couch 'em wrote:
White Helmet wrote:Im saying lets say a kid was accepted to a top rate med school, but is failing a history class. Should he be allowed to pass the history class because of his other earning potential?
Med School and History are both academic pursuits. It isn't a stretch to say someone capable of getting into medschool could pass history classes. Meanwhile, pretty much everyone who shows up to Wellness and half tries at all passes it. Athlete:history::scholar:wellness.

Now if the future med student isn't capable of passing history for some reason, say language barrier, and gets a pass......that happens all the time with the Indian and Chinese in the engineering school. Also happens with the affluent arabs who blatantly cheat. I had a prof outright tell me he doesn't stop it because they pay full tuition and go back to Arabia.

I had to take an exam late once. A group of them was caught cheating 4 times in the same exam and nothing happened. I could not believe it.

Nacho · Post by **Nacho** » Tue Nov 11, 2014 8:39 pm

Jeff is very ill. I'll leave it at that.

coloradoStang · Post by **coloradoStang** » Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:49 am

SMUstangs22 wrote:
couch 'em wrote:
White Helmet wrote:Im saying lets say a kid was accepted to a top rate med school, but is failing a history class. Should he be allowed to pass the history class because of his other earning potential?
Med School and History are both academic pursuits. It isn't a stretch to say someone capable of getting into medschool could pass history classes. Meanwhile, pretty much everyone who shows up to Wellness and half tries at all passes it. Athlete:history::scholar:wellness.

Now if the future med student isn't capable of passing history for some reason, say language barrier, and gets a pass......that happens all the time with the Indian and Chinese in the engineering school. Also happens with the affluent arabs who blatantly cheat. I had a prof outright tell me he doesn't stop it because they pay full tuition and go back to Arabia.

I had to take an exam late once. A group of them was caught cheating 4 times in the same exam and nothing happened. I could not believe it.

Couldnt agree more there is a problem with this

Balatro Diabolus Ex · Post by **Balatro Diabolus Ex** » Wed Nov 12, 2014 2:31 am

well travelled pony wrote:
Nacho wrote:you know zero about jeff.

Not to pick an Internet fight, but nacho, you don't know me. Yes, I knew Jeff, since day one at McGinnis. David Stanley too. T Mann too. Jerry Ball. So, yeah...

Jeff was a pretty good guy, he just couldn't shake some of his past. All I know is what I saw and heard. Not proud to see him get caught up. It was sad. Ruined his head.

Go Ponies!

I think Nacho is referring to Jeff's problems with Manic Depression, which played a large role in his drug problem.

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