Peruna94&07 wrote:Simple way of looking at where SMU and TCU are academically is my son.
He was offered 2nd year admission to SMU and got 1st year to TCU including the business school.
Pretty straight forward
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Sweet. Good for him. (Seriously.)
Thanks, he actually thought the dorms were much better than SMU, which I have to agree with him.
SMU has stuck with the traditional model where TCU has added more apartment style and even the ones without bathrooms, the communal bathroom is actually a private toilet and shower. Beats the heck out of my dorm at McElvaney
gostangs wrote:Just to add some color to this - out of the most recent Princeton Review : SMU - SAT range of attending students - 1350-1490. ACT - 31-34 TCU - SAT range of attending students - 1140 -1345 ACT 26-31
Anyone who knows about standardized testing realizes those groups of students would be on different planets academically.
gostangs: Your own DoA, LAST MONTH, said at TACAC it is (quote) "time to go the TCU route and look beyond standardized testing." That is what TCU did ten yrs ago. Admissions realized, like many highly selective universities are, that standardized testing is not indicative of the quality of the student.
TCU focuses on core classes, for example, far above an ACT/SAT score. SMU is starting to do the same.
I encourage you to sit down with Elena. I know her well and she will validate everything I just said.
If this is true, then there is a reason for SMUΓÇÖs continued decline. This about as low as I can remember our rankings. Standardized testing and quality of the student are not mutually exclusive, in fact, thereΓÇÖs a very strong correlation. Of course itΓÇÖs not the end all be all, but why canΓÇÖt we recruit top quality students that also have high standardized scores. ThatΓÇÖs what every too university does. If you think you can get into a top 10 national university without a very high SAT or ACT score then our DOA doesnΓÇÖt have a clue. Maybe itΓÇÖs her own tcu affiliation but her comment is so far off that I do worry about the future of SMU. If it were me, IΓÇÖd bring in a much better Dean of admissions that actually understands what it takes to make SMU a much more academic school. And rankings have to accompany that. IΓÇÖd love to speak to her because it doesnΓÇÖt seem she has a clue if thatΓÇÖs the direction she is taking SMU admissions to.
gostangs wrote:Just to add some color to this - out of the most recent Princeton Review : SMU - SAT range of attending students - 1350-1490. ACT - 31-34 TCU - SAT range of attending students - 1140 -1345 ACT 26-31
Anyone who knows about standardized testing realizes those groups of students would be on different planets academically.
gostangs: Your own DoA, LAST MONTH, said at TACAC it is (quote) "time to go the TCU route and look beyond standardized testing." That is what TCU did ten yrs ago. Admissions realized, like many highly selective universities are, that standardized testing is not indicative of the quality of the student.
TCU focuses on core classes, for example, far above an ACT/SAT score. SMU is starting to do the same.
I encourage you to sit down with Elena. I know her well and she will validate everything I just said.
If this is true, then there is a reason for SMUΓÇÖs continued decline. This about as low as I can remember our rankings. Standardized testing and quality of the student are not mutually exclusive, in fact, thereΓÇÖs a very strong correlation. Of course itΓÇÖs not the end all be all, but why canΓÇÖt we recruit top quality students that also have high standardized scores. ThatΓÇÖs what every too university does. If you think you can get into a top 10 national university without a very high SAT or ACT score then our DOA doesnΓÇÖt have a clue. Maybe itΓÇÖs her own tcu affiliation but her comment is so far off that I do worry about the future of SMU. If it were me, IΓÇÖd bring in a much better Dean of admissions that actually understands what it takes to make SMU a much more academic school. And rankings have to accompany that. IΓÇÖd love to speak to her because it doesnΓÇÖt seem she has a clue if thatΓÇÖs the direction she is taking SMU admissions to.
Well said.
FYI: Wes Waggoner is the Associate Vice President for Enrollment Management who came from TCU, and is above the DOA, Elena. Wes is arguably in the top five when it comes to Admissions. He is respected nationally. SMU is in good shape Admissions wise. Leadership? Another story.
