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The SMU offensive line is a veteran group that is as experienced as any in the nation. But when former offensive line coach Adrian Klemm moved on a couple of weeks ago, head coach June Jones moved running backs coach Wes Suan over to work with the offensive line. PonyFans.com visited with linemen Bryan Collins and Ben Gottschalk to discuss Suan's teaching style, and how the Ponies' linemen are adjusting to the change in leadership.

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Insane_Pony_Posse wrote:WOW!

"I was worried when Coach Klemm (left), because I owe all of my success to him," Gottschalk said. ...I had it in my mind that Coach Suan didn’t know what he was talking about, because I thought Coach Klemm was such a good coach. But the fact is, there are other really good offensive line coaches out there, and Coach Suan obviously is one of them..I have learned as much in the last two weeks as I did in the previous two years."

SMU Tackle Ben Gottschalk

Very interesting! Pitt Beat!

As enamored as we all were by Coach Klemm, if he were irreplaceable, we would have found some way to retain him. It will be interesting to see June's "upgrade".

I absolutely love Gottschalk's comment. I'm sure he and Coach Klemm are good friends, and they probably always will be, but it sounds like he really is buying in to what Coach Suan is teaching, and his comment indicates that he is an exceptional teammate. Coach Suan is the man now, and he and Collins obviously are behind him. That's exactly the attitude I would hope he has. He and Collins and Blake McJunkin are going to be three very strong leaders for our line in 2012.

Suan is a good guy. Glad to hear our guys are learning from him

Funny how things turn out. I would much rather have a coach teaching fundamental offensive line techniques, than just teaching 'toughness'...

PS- agree. We need 7 seconds of violence preceded by 1.5 seconds of thought.

GO PONIES!!!

Proof is the pudding so we will see if they play better under Suan. I don;t know how we can find a way to keep a person if they want to go home which is where UCLA is for Klemm. Also, I guess we will see if the next coach hired by June is an "upgrade" or not. Again, the proof will be in the pudding.

SMU 86 wrote:Proof is the pudding so we will see if they play better under Suan. I don;t know how we can find a way to keep a person if they want to go home which is where UCLA is for Klemm. Also, I guess we will see if the next coach hired by June is an "upgrade" or not. Again, the proof will be in the pudding.

Just a personal issue with the saying. Actually, though it is often misquoted, the proof of the pudding is in the eating.

We need to remember that Suan was the OL coach when Hawaii went 12-0. On the other hand, SMU has had back-to-back-to-back 1000 yard rushers FWIW.

Like I mentioned during the Klemm for HC nonsense, our OL was actually a weakness this year. Considering the number of penalties they racked up and their generally poor play, I'm not surprised they're learning more under a new coach.

The PonyGrad wrote:

SMU 86 wrote:Proof is the pudding so we will see if they play better under Suan. I don;t know how we can find a way to keep a person if they want to go home which is where UCLA is for Klemm. Also, I guess we will see if the next coach hired by June is an "upgrade" or not. Again, the proof will be in the pudding.

Just a personal issue with the saying. Actually, though it is often misquoted, the proof of the pudding is in the eating.

We need to remember that Suan was the OL coach when Hawaii went 12-0. On the other hand, SMU has had back-to-back-to-back 1000 yard rushers FWIW.

he's right.

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/proo ... dding.html

The proof of the pudding

Meaning

To fully test something you need to experience it yourself.

Origin

'The proof of the pudding' is just shorthand for 'the proof of the pudding is in the eating'. That longer version makes sense at least, whereas the shortened version really doesn't mean anything - nor does the often-quoted incorrect variation 'the proof is in the pudding'. The continued use of that meaningless version is no doubt bolstered by the fact that the correct version isn't at all easy to understand.

The meaning become clear when you know that 'proof' here is a verb meaning 'test'. The more common meaning of 'proof' in our day and age is the noun meaning 'the evidence that demonstrates a truth' - as in a mathematical or legal proof. The verb form meaning 'to test' is less often used these days, although it does survive in several commonly used phrases: 'the exception that proves the rule', 'proof-read', 'proving-ground', etc. When bakers 'prove' yeast they are letting it stand in warm water for a time, to determine that it is active. Clearly, the distinction between these two forms of the word was originally quite slight and the proof in a 'showing to be true' sense is merely the successful outcome of a test of whether a proposition is correct or not.

'The proof of the pudding is in the eating' is a very old proverb. The Oxford Dictionary of Quotations dates it back to the early 14th century, albeit without offering any supporting evidence for that assertion. The phrase is widely attributed to Cervantes in The History of Don Quixote. This appears to be by virtue of an early 18th century translation by Peter Motteux, which has been criticised by later scholars as 'a loose paraphrase' and 'Franco-Cockney'. Crucially the Spanish word for pudding - 'budín', doesn't appear in the original Spanish text. It is doubtful that 'the proof of the pudding' was a figurative phrase that was known to Cervantes.

The earliest printed example of the proverb that I can find is in William Camden's Remaines of a Greater Worke Concerning Britaine, 1605:

"All the proof of a pudding is in the eating."

It is worth remembering that, as the phrase is quite old, the pudding wouldn't have been a sticky toffee pudding from the sweet trolley, but a potentially fatal savoury dish. In Camden's listing of proverbs he also includes "If you eat a pudding at home, the dog may have the skin", which suggests that the pudding he had in mind was some form of sausage. THE OED describes the mediaeval pudding as 'the stomach or one of the entrails of a pig, sheep, or other animal, stuffed with a mixture of minced meat, suet, oatmeal, seasoning, etc., and boiled'. Those of you who have ventured north of the border on Burns Night will recognize this as a fair description of a haggis - "the great chieftain o' the pudding-race", as Burns called it in the poem Address to a Haggis, 1786. Mediaeval peasants, faced with a boiled up farmyard massacre, might have thought a taste test to have been a wise choice.

McKnight was the OL coach in 2007

kull wrote:McKnight was the OL coach in 2007