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I support the Fighting Sues!!!

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 10:04 am
by mrydel
Give the NCAA hell!!

Re: I support the Fighting Sues!!!

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 10:59 am
by NavyCrimson
About time!!!!

Re: I support the Fighting Sues!!!

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 12:07 pm
by Digetydog
mrydel wrote:Give the NCAA hell!!


If I was a student there, I would organize a mock scalping of the NCAA president in the main quad.

Re: I support the Fighting Sues!!!

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 2:22 pm
by ponyboy
mrydel wrote:Give the NCAA hell!!


Absolutely. Go Sioux!

Re: I support the Fighting Sues!!!

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 5:35 pm
by birddogger
The Shel Silverstein/Johnny Cash variety?

Re: I support the Fighting Sues!!!

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 4:59 am
by No Quarter
Might have been better had the new ND law stated they would change when Florida State did, but I'm for ND also.

Re: I support the Fighting Sues!!!

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:02 am
by Digetydog
What about the Fighting Irish!!! Doesn't their mascot make fun of Little People.

Re: I support the Fighting Sues!!!

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 9:34 am
by ponyte
Go ND Fighting Sues.

Re: I support the Fighting Sues!!!

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:38 pm
by alyssa
Is that what this "sues" is about? Race? Don't use our RACE against US.
As an American Indian person I am against any sports team using us as mascots (pets).
I still get racial slurs used against me today, as do many of my tribal members.
In cross country running when Mary or I was out winning the race there were many people that would yell "Hey Indian ____." And then throw rocks at us. Or shoot glass at us with sling shots. I still have a couple of little scratches on my legs from the glass shot at us. Many other things happened to us. No one would correct the cruel behaviour though, because we are "Injuns". Just like when I split open the bottom of my right foot when I was little running through a field and stepping on something I did not get to go to hospital because I was Indian. "Indians don't get to go to the hospital." Today, there are Indian hospitals.
I stand for not using any race of person as a mascot. I prefer not using any human being as a mascot. "Cowboys," for example, is a profession and not a race.
You have to know what all mascot really means because you can't just pull out a dictionary and learn about everything it really means at least when you are dealing with different cultures and translating and so on. I wrote an unpublished book about all this that I can teach from. I don't have plans to publish it. I just pass it on to the young tribal members.
And believe me this Indian mascot thing really hurts the children seeing themselves portrayed as mascots in a very profoundly negative way where usually at about age 10 they take a downward spiral and stop producing in life such as school work and social interactions with others.

Go to youtube and search Wichita language. There is an aljazeeraenglish news report that means a lot to me. Ms McClemore speaks in it. And it's so true. I speak fluent native languages but my cousins children, for example, who just signed to play sports at universities can only understand me and then struggle to put together mixed english and native languages to speak back. The great-great grandchildren (of my grandparents) are not even hearing our native languages enough to learn them. All this comes from..........yeah.

One of my interests is studying crimes. So I've studied medicine, criminology and so on.
One of my 1930's crime scene photos is of an American Indian man who was skinned.
The skin lying on a table is the crime scene photo.
Someone used him as a mascot. They skinwalked him. He was a mascot. It is still an unsolved crime. Who (probably murdered) and skinned this man to dress in his skin as an American Indian mascot? It is known that he was worn as a mascot.
One thing I like a lot about the University of North Texas is the forensic science department they have to help solve crimes.

If this is not about the Sioux being used as mascots it sure seems like it.
I thought this kind of stuff about race and all was not to be allowed.
If we were black people this would not be happening to us because the black people have power and past success in standing up for themselves. An example, the Cleveland MLB team with it's offensive smiling face Indian would not be allowed if it were black faced because that would be an offensive sambo to them.

So tiring that so many people still don't get it.
One thing being Indian has made one is rich. One can sell 1 acre in prime area for $2 million. One has a lot of prime land.
But hey, I'm really a nice person even though it doesn't sound so now just because I will take up for American Indians who are dying off as time goes on.

Re: Re: I support the Fighting Sues!!!

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 1:02 pm
by couch 'em
alyssa wrote:Is that what this "sues" is about? Race? Don't use our RACE against US.
As an American Indian person I am against any sports team using us as mascots (pets).
I still get racial slurs used against me today, as do many of my tribal members.
In cross country running when Mary or I was out winning the race there were many people that would yell "Hey Indian ____." And then throw rocks at us. Or shoot glass at us with sling shots. I still have a couple of little scratches on my legs from the glass shot at us. Many other things happened to us. No one would correct the cruel behaviour though, because we are "Injuns". Just like when I split open the bottom of my right foot when I was little running through a field and stepping on something I did not get to go to hospital because I was Indian. "Indians don't get to go to the hospital." Today, there are Indian hospitals.
I stand for not using any race of person as a mascot. I prefer not using any human being as a mascot. "Cowboys," for example, is a profession and not a race.
You have to know what all mascot really means because you can't just pull out a dictionary and learn about everything it really means at least when you are dealing with different cultures and translating and so on. I wrote an unpublished book about all this that I can teach from. I don't have plans to publish it. I just pass it on to the young tribal members.
And believe me this Indian mascot thing really hurts the children seeing themselves portrayed as mascots in a very profoundly negative way where usually at about age 10 they take a downward spiral and stop producing in life such as school work and social interactions with others.

Go to youtube and search Wichita language. There is an aljazeeraenglish news report that means a lot to me. Ms McClemore speaks in it. And it's so true. I speak fluent native languages but my cousins children, for example, who just signed to play sports at universities can only understand me and then struggle to put together mixed english and native languages to speak back. The great-great grandchildren (of my grandparents) are not even hearing our native languages enough to learn them. All this comes from..........yeah.

One of my interests is studying crimes. So I've studied medicine, criminology and so on.
One of my 1930's crime scene photos is of an American Indian man who was skinned.
The skin lying on a table is the crime scene photo.
Someone used him as a mascot. They skinwalked him. He was a mascot. It is still an unsolved crime. Who (probably murdered) and skinned this man to dress in his skin as an American Indian mascot? It is known that he was worn as a mascot.
One thing I like a lot about the University of North Texas is the forensic science department they have to help solve crimes.

If this is not about the Sioux being used as mascots it sure seems like it.
I thought this kind of stuff about race and all was not to be allowed.
If we were black people this would not be happening to us because the black people have power and past success in standing up for themselves. An example, the Cleveland MLB team with it's offensive smiling face Indian would not be allowed if it were black faced because that would be an offensive sambo to them.

So tiring that so many people still don't get it.
One thing being Indian has made one is rich. One can sell 1 acre in prime area for $2 million. One has a lot of prime land.
But hey, I'm really a nice person even though it doesn't sound so now just because I will take up for American Indians who are dying off as time goes on.

Are you on crack?

Re: I support the Fighting Sues!!!

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 1:10 pm
by SMUer
I don't know...the logo isn't offensive, it doesn't portray anything negative about the Sioux man, their original mascot was the flickertail squirrel (can you blame them for changing it), and they chose the Sioux because the Sioux hunted Bison and their rival is the North Dakota State Bison. Do Creole/Cajuns get bent out of shape because of UL-Lafayette's nickname? Nope.

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Re: Re: I support the Fighting Sues!!!

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 1:24 pm
by alyssa
couch 'em wrote:
alyssa wrote:Is that what this "sues" is about? Race? Don't use our RACE against US.
As an American Indian person I am against any sports team using us as mascots (pets).
I still get racial slurs used against me today, as do many of my tribal members.
In cross country running when Mary or I was out winning the race there were many people that would yell "Hey Indian ____." And then throw rocks at us. Or shoot glass at us with sling shots. I still have a couple of little scratches on my legs from the glass shot at us. Many other things happened to us. No one would correct the cruel behaviour though, because we are "Injuns". Just like when I split open the bottom of my right foot when I was little running through a field and stepping on something I did not get to go to hospital because I was Indian. "Indians don't get to go to the hospital." Today, there are Indian hospitals.
I stand for not using any race of person as a mascot. I prefer not using any human being as a mascot. "Cowboys," for example, is a profession and not a race.
You have to know what all mascot really means because you can't just pull out a dictionary and learn about everything it really means at least when you are dealing with different cultures and translating and so on. I wrote an unpublished book about all this that I can teach from. I don't have plans to publish it. I just pass it on to the young tribal members.
And believe me this Indian mascot thing really hurts the children seeing themselves portrayed as mascots in a very profoundly negative way where usually at about age 10 they take a downward spiral and stop producing in life such as school work and social interactions with others.

Go to youtube and search Wichita language. There is an aljazeeraenglish news report that means a lot to me. Ms McClemore speaks in it. And it's so true. I speak fluent native languages but my cousins children, for example, who just signed to play sports at universities can only understand me and then struggle to put together mixed english and native languages to speak back. The great-great grandchildren (of my grandparents) are not even hearing our native languages enough to learn them. All this comes from..........yeah.

One of my interests is studying crimes. So I've studied medicine, criminology and so on.
One of my 1930's crime scene photos is of an American Indian man who was skinned.
The skin lying on a table is the crime scene photo.
Someone used him as a mascot. They skinwalked him. He was a mascot. It is still an unsolved crime. Who (probably murdered) and skinned this man to dress in his skin as an American Indian mascot? It is known that he was worn as a mascot.
One thing I like a lot about the University of North Texas is the forensic science department they have to help solve crimes.

If this is not about the Sioux being used as mascots it sure seems like it.
I thought this kind of stuff about race and all was not to be allowed.
If we were black people this would not be happening to us because the black people have power and past success in standing up for themselves. An example, the Cleveland MLB team with it's offensive smiling face Indian would not be allowed if it were black faced because that would be an offensive sambo to them.

So tiring that so many people still don't get it.
One thing being Indian has made one is rich. One can sell 1 acre in prime area for $2 million. One has a lot of prime land.
But hey, I'm really a nice person even though it doesn't sound so now just because I will take up for American Indians who are dying off as time goes on.

Are you on crack?


No I'm not on crack. Those are things I learned from others and personal experiences.
I believe in not using peoples. The Sioux should be used by the Sioux only.
As an American I find it offensive when other countries mock us or burn our flag.
I know a lot of people hate me or make fun of me for being Indian and what I believe.
A few years ago some linguists asked me to record one of the languages that I know fluently because it's just about to disappear.
The bottom line is not to use another's race and such.

Re: Re: I support the Fighting Sues!!!

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 1:24 pm
by alyssa
couch 'em wrote:
alyssa wrote:Is that what this "sues" is about? Race? Don't use our RACE against US.
As an American Indian person I am against any sports team using us as mascots (pets).
I still get racial slurs used against me today, as do many of my tribal members.
In cross country running when Mary or I was out winning the race there were many people that would yell "Hey Indian ____." And then throw rocks at us. Or shoot glass at us with sling shots. I still have a couple of little scratches on my legs from the glass shot at us. Many other things happened to us. No one would correct the cruel behaviour though, because we are "Injuns". Just like when I split open the bottom of my right foot when I was little running through a field and stepping on something I did not get to go to hospital because I was Indian. "Indians don't get to go to the hospital." Today, there are Indian hospitals.
I stand for not using any race of person as a mascot. I prefer not using any human being as a mascot. "Cowboys," for example, is a profession and not a race.
You have to know what all mascot really means because you can't just pull out a dictionary and learn about everything it really means at least when you are dealing with different cultures and translating and so on. I wrote an unpublished book about all this that I can teach from. I don't have plans to publish it. I just pass it on to the young tribal members.
And believe me this Indian mascot thing really hurts the children seeing themselves portrayed as mascots in a very profoundly negative way where usually at about age 10 they take a downward spiral and stop producing in life such as school work and social interactions with others.

Go to youtube and search Wichita language. There is an aljazeeraenglish news report that means a lot to me. Ms McClemore speaks in it. And it's so true. I speak fluent native languages but my cousins children, for example, who just signed to play sports at universities can only understand me and then struggle to put together mixed english and native languages to speak back. The great-great grandchildren (of my grandparents) are not even hearing our native languages enough to learn them. All this comes from..........yeah.

One of my interests is studying crimes. So I've studied medicine, criminology and so on.
One of my 1930's crime scene photos is of an American Indian man who was skinned.
The skin lying on a table is the crime scene photo.
Someone used him as a mascot. They skinwalked him. He was a mascot. It is still an unsolved crime. Who (probably murdered) and skinned this man to dress in his skin as an American Indian mascot? It is known that he was worn as a mascot.
One thing I like a lot about the University of North Texas is the forensic science department they have to help solve crimes.

If this is not about the Sioux being used as mascots it sure seems like it.
I thought this kind of stuff about race and all was not to be allowed.
If we were black people this would not be happening to us because the black people have power and past success in standing up for themselves. An example, the Cleveland MLB team with it's offensive smiling face Indian would not be allowed if it were black faced because that would be an offensive sambo to them.

So tiring that so many people still don't get it.
One thing being Indian has made one is rich. One can sell 1 acre in prime area for $2 million. One has a lot of prime land.
But hey, I'm really a nice person even though it doesn't sound so now just because I will take up for American Indians who are dying off as time goes on.

Are you on crack?


No I'm not on crack. Those are things I learned from others and personal experiences.
I believe in not using peoples. The Sioux should be used by the Sioux only.
As an American I find it offensive when other countries mock us or burn our flag.
I know a lot of people hate me or make fun of me for being Indian and what I believe.
A few years ago some linguists asked me to record one of the languages that I know fluently because it's just about to disappear.
The bottom line is not to use another's race and such.

Re: I support the Fighting Sues!!!

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 1:36 pm
by SMUer
They should just change their name to "The Non-specific Non-Denominational North American Plain Indians Who Fight Like the Sioux, Hunt Buffalo Like the Sioux But Are Explicitly Not the Sioux".

I find it more offensive that articles on this refer to the Chief of the Sioux as "His Horse Like Thunder" which I'm sure isn't how his name is pronounced by his family. If we have to report names of people like Ashvini Bhave-Bopardikar, surely we can make an attempt at his name in his own language.

Re: I support the Fighting Sues!!!

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 2:01 pm
by mrydel
I think Washington DC would be a good place to start this argument. I think they have a professional football team there.