tcu recruiting
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:37 pm
I was just wondering...could a signed tcu recruit use this blow up as a reason to be released from their scholarship? Not that we would get any, but would the ncaa allow this as a reason?
goldenstang wrote:Directly from the High Horse Judgement Brigade, I will say that I don't care about what GP is doing.
goldenstang wrote:I care about what June is not or rather not doing.
goldenstang wrote:IPP, do you seriously not see some of the issues with our program? When you look at how we do things and how others do things does it leave you with the feeling that we are giving it our all? I am fine with June as our coach I just want him to give a [deleted] about recruiting. That is all. Isn't he in Israel right now. I don't think he is recruiting anyone over there. So there is some not doing going on. I love the bowl games, but that is not my standard and it shouldn't be SMU's. I want more for my school and I do not believe they are doing all they can as a coaching staff to achieve more.
Insane_Pony_Posse wrote:
Don't you understand by now June Jones marches to the beat of a different drummer?
Maybe he ought to consider changing out the drummer because he's clearly off a few beats.
But he gets results. He got results at Hawaii and he has turrned this program around.
He got results for one year at Hawaii against a weak schedule that included TWO DI-AA teams. Also, if it wasn't for Ty Willingham's Washington Huskies choking away a large lead(a 3 or 4 TD lead), they would have never made it to the Sugar Bowl.
Obviously he knows what he's doing or he would not have coached in the Sugar Bowl
among many other bowls and have someone paying him millions of dollars.
If you had even bothered to check, you would see that the only bowls he's ever lead Hawaii to besides the Sugar Bowl were the bowls played in Hawaii. As far as the millions he's getting paid, he's not really earned his keep. 3 Bowls? sure, that's nice but as far as I can tell, he has plateaued with this program.
Bennett and Cavan played by all the rules you guys are sooooo concerned about and where
did that get us? Bennett and Cavan didn't vacation in Hawaii and look where it got us!
Bennett and Cavan didn't wear black and wore lots of SMU gear and look at where it got us!
The point being....what matters is results no matter how you get there.
Again, Bennett and Cavan didn't even half the freedom that Jones has had to accomplish his mediocrity. Bennett got us to a 6-6 record in one season with lesser talent and probably could have gotten us to, at minimum, a 7-5 record and a Bowl if he had what June's had available. Also, both of those guys had enough respect for the program to at least look like they were interested in coaching here. Jones looks like he's constantly constipated and rather be hanging out with his "ohana" in Hawaii. He's tried all sorts of gimmicks(i.e. the geldings, the "walk," black jerseys) to try and distract people from actually trying to pay attention to how he does his job. If you're fine with sticking your head in the sand and being happy about playing in minor bowls, then you clearly choose to ignore the issues surrounding how this program is run.
Peruna_Ate_My_Rolex wrote:Insane_Pony_Posse wrote:
Don't you understand by now June Jones marches to the beat of a different drummer?
Maybe he ought to consider changing out the drummer because he's clearly off a few beats.
But he gets results. He got results at Hawaii and he has turrned this program around.
He got results for one year at Hawaii against a weak schedule that included TWO DI-AA teams. Also, if it wasn't for Ty Willingham's Washington Huskies choking away a large lead(a 3 or 4 TD lead), they would have never made it to the Sugar Bowl. Washington did not choke, Brennan put the hammer down on them just like he did ASU and Boise State.
Obviously he knows what he's doing or he would not have coached in the Sugar Bowl
among many other bowls and have someone paying him millions of dollars.
If you had even bothered to check, you would see that the only bowls he's ever lead Hawaii to besides the Sugar Bowl were the bowls played in Hawaii. As far as the millions he's getting paid, he's not really earned his keep. 3 Bowls? sure, that's nice but as far as I can tell, he has plateaued with this program.
QB play plateaued with Padron and we got a bump with McD.. 2012 has every indication of QB play delivering a high octane season so for now support the coach we sould make a big improvement this year.
Bennett and Cavan played by all the rules you guys are sooooo concerned about and where
did that get us? Bennett and Cavan didn't vacation in Hawaii and look where it got us!
Bennett and Cavan didn't wear black and wore lots of SMU gear and look at where it got us!
The point being....what matters is results no matter how you get there.
Again, Bennett and Cavan didn't even half the freedom that Jones has had to accomplish his mediocrity. Bennett got us to a 6-6 record in one season with lesser talent and probably could have gotten us to, at minimum, a 7-5 record and a Bowl if he had what June's had available. Also, both of those guys had enough respect for the program to at least look like they were interested in coaching here. Jones looks like he's constantly constipated and rather be hanging out with his "ohana" in Hawaii. He's tried all sorts of gimmicks(i.e. the geldings, the "walk," black jerseys) to try and distract people from actually trying to pay attention to how he does his job. If you're fine with sticking your head in the sand and being happy about playing in minor bowls, then you clearly choose to ignore the issues surrounding how this program is run.Contact Orsini if you have issues with how the program is run. Tell him how to do his job.
You and JJ need to get your heads together and get the story straight. Towards the end of the season, JJ stated basically that 2012 was not going to be as good as the last few years. Has he changed his mind or was that based upon his thinking he wouldn't be here?JonesDoe wrote:QB play plateaued with Padron and we got a bump with McD.. 2012 has every indication of QB play delivering a high octane season so for now support the coach we sould make a big improvement this year.
Peruna_Ate_My_Rolex wrote:Maybe he ought to consider changing out the drummer
because he's clearly off a few beats.
Peruna_Ate_My_Rolex wrote:He got results for one year at Hawaii against a weak schedule that included TWO DI-AA teams. Also, if it wasn't for Ty Willingham's Washington Huskies choking away a large lead(a 3 or 4 TD lead), they would have never made it to the Sugar Bowl.
Peruna_Ate_My_Rolex wrote:Again, Bennett and Cavan didn't even half the freedom that Jones has had to accomplish his mediocrity.
Peruna_Ate_My_Rolex wrote:Bennett got us to a 6-6 record in one season with lesser talent and probably could have gotten us to, at minimum, a 7-5 record and a Bowl if he had what June's had available.
Peruna_Ate_My_Rolex wrote:Also, both of those guys had enough respect for the program to at least look like they were interested in coaching here. Jones looks like he's constantly constipated and rather be hanging out with his "ohana" in Hawaii.
Peruna_Ate_My_Rolex wrote:
He's tried all sorts of gimmicks(i.e. the geldings, the "walk," black jerseys) to try and distract people from actually trying to pay attention to how he does his job
Peruna_Ate_My_Rolex wrote: If you're fine with sticking your head in the sand and being happy about playing in minor bowls, then you clearly choose to ignore the issues surrounding how this program is run.
Insane_Pony_Posse wrote:Ummm by the look of things June Jones has done quite well doing things "his way"
in the football world.....I would assume much better than you, Stallion and other message board know-it-alls. Who in the hell are you to lecture June Jones about how to run a football program? Let’s see your football resume?
The better question is, who in the hell are you to say that he is doing his job? Obviously, you're quite happy with mediocrity, so that tells me that you know as much as I do about his ability to run a football program.Peruna_Ate_My_Rolex wrote:He got results for one year at Hawaii against a weak schedule that included TWO DI-AA teams. Also, if it wasn't for Ty Willingham's Washington Huskies choking away a large lead(a 3 or 4 TD lead), they would have never made it to the Sugar Bowl.
One year?
Go check with reality.
June Jones turned around a dead Hawaii program, just like he has here.
Your "if" "if" "if"'s are funny.
Not as funny as the obvious ducking of my response to your point of "all the bowls" that Junesus has partaken. You obviously didn't do a reality check on that one, my friend. Sure, he has turned around the program with a few winning seasons here and there but my point is that it wasn't his "great" coaching skills as much as having luck that year. I'm sure you have your excuse ready as to why he bombed at the Sugar Bowl.Peruna_Ate_My_Rolex wrote:Again, Bennett and Cavan didn't even half the freedom that Jones has had to accomplish his mediocrity.
And why is that?
Why didn’t Bennett or Cavan have the "freedom" they needed?
Hello...Earth to PerunaRolex?....
Because they didnt have the pull June Jones does.
You think it’s a total coincidence everything changed when June arrived?
Bottom line Bennett/Cavan couldn’t get the changes made….JUNE DID!
June only got the changes he wanted because he knew that he had SMU by the balls when it got so late in the year for hiring a coach that if they screwed up, they were heading towards [deleted] creek without a paddle. Oh he pulled, alright. Even though he's gotten more pull, he's still got a ways to go and with only one guy known to recruit well, we're still swimming upstream. I agree that we've upgraded our talent but it seems to me that he's still not fighting the battles enough to make that change noticeable.
Bennett and Cavan never got it done because they knew they didn't stand a chance going against the adminstration and because the school never made the commitment to football. Even if we had Nick Saban coaching this team during those years, the team would still be lacking because he wouldn't be able to bring in the talent because of the lack of commitment. Again, this was only made possible because June had SMU by the balls, not because he had "pull" with the admin or the boosters.Peruna_Ate_My_Rolex wrote:Bennett got us to a 6-6 record in one season with lesser talent and probably could have gotten us to, at minimum, a 7-5 record and a Bowl if he had what June's had available.
If if if if if……
And if those guys were so good and it was "just the system" how come nobody has offered those guys (Bennett & Cavan) head coaching jobs?
Probably because everyone knows that prior to June, SMU was a head coaching dead end because of how SMU handled its business. I never said that they were good. In fact, I thought they were very mediocre to subpar coaches. My point was that if we had not had those restrictions during those years, the program would not have been as downtrodden as it was when June arrived.Peruna_Ate_My_Rolex wrote:Also, both of those guys had enough respect for the program to at least look like they were interested in coaching here. Jones looks like he's constantly constipated and rather be hanging out with his "ohana" in Hawaii.
Yeah and a lot of good that did.
Yeah Boss lets get a coach that "hangs out at Lake Texoma" and never goes to a bowl!
Just like a lot of good it did for June to go hanging out with those folks from Tempe and recruiting for them on our alma mater's dime?Peruna_Ate_My_Rolex wrote:
He's tried all sorts of gimmicks(i.e. the geldings, the "walk," black jerseys) to try and distract people from actually trying to pay attention to how he does his job
Bennett and Cavan both changed parts of our uniforms.
Distract people from turning this program around from the dead?
No,more like distracting people from ignoring some of the questionable play calling and the sputtering offense for most of the past couple of seasons. Maybe while he's trying to save horses, he should also work more with his QB's since he has been given the rep of being QB guru. How many QB's has he run off, I mean run through, in his tenure?Peruna_Ate_My_Rolex wrote: If you're fine with sticking your head in the sand and being happy about playing in minor bowls, then you clearly choose to ignore the issues surrounding how this program is run.
I am fine with an improving program playing in better bowls each year.
Your boys Bennett & Cavan couldn’t even get us to a bowl period!…minor or major!
This year we beat PITT in a bowl game & you’re worried where June vacations!![]()