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tcu recruiting

Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:37 pm
by Terry Webster
I was just wondering...could a signed tcu recruit use this blow up as a reason to be released from their scholarship? Not that we would get any, but would the ncaa allow this as a reason?

Re: tcu recruiting

Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:12 pm
by austinponie
I would think today's events, and perhaps what follows, would be enough to nullify any binding contract, particularly one involving a student-athlete with parents.

But, I really dunno...

Re: tcu recruiting

Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:28 pm
by Insane_Pony_Posse
I wonder if the same high horse judgement brigade that came after June Jones for his supposed lack of candor during a recruiting weekend will be so quick to crucify Gary Patterson?

Are they going to say Patterson had no idea all this was going on and it's just a total coincidence that this huge scandal breaks a couple of weeks after signing day?

Come on Stallion are you going to condemn Gary Patterson for keeping quiet so he could get his recruits signed (basically lying by omission) when he knew an explosive scandal was about to happen at TCU?

Re: tcu recruiting

Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:06 pm
by goldenstang
Directly from the High Horse Judgement Brigade, I will say that I don't care about what GP is doing. I care about what June is doing or rather not doing.

Re: tcu recruiting

Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:09 pm
by Insane_Pony_Posse
goldenstang wrote:Directly from the High Horse Judgement Brigade, I will say that I don't care about what GP is doing.

Nice dodge....I expect the same from Stallion!

goldenstang wrote:I care about what June is not or rather not doing.


Yeah me too...and 3 straight bowl games is a long way from "not doing"

Re: tcu recruiting

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:16 am
by goldenstang
IPP, do you seriously not see some of the issues with our program? When you look at how we do things and how others do things does it leave you with the feeling that we are giving it our all? I am fine with June as our coach I just want him to give a [deleted] about recruiting. That is all. Isn't he in Israel right now. I don't think he is recruiting anyone over there. So there is some not doing going on. I love the bowl games, but that is not my standard and it shouldn't be SMU's. I want more for my school and I do not believe they are doing all they can as a coaching staff to achieve more.

Re: tcu recruiting

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:03 am
by Arkpony
It's "Judgment".

Re: tcu recruiting

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:14 am
by huskerpony
he is spell-checking someone.

Re: tcu recruiting

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:28 am
by Insane_Pony_Posse
goldenstang wrote:IPP, do you seriously not see some of the issues with our program? When you look at how we do things and how others do things does it leave you with the feeling that we are giving it our all? I am fine with June as our coach I just want him to give a [deleted] about recruiting. That is all. Isn't he in Israel right now. I don't think he is recruiting anyone over there. So there is some not doing going on. I love the bowl games, but that is not my standard and it shouldn't be SMU's. I want more for my school and I do not believe they are doing all they can as a coaching staff to achieve more.


Goldenstang honestly I could care less how the man utilizes his time
if we keep improving. You guys want to "pigeon-hole" what can't be "pigeon-holed".
It's not gonna happen.

I don't agree or approve of every single thing June does, but like with almost any
part of life...marriage...work....whatever...I take the good with the bad....
as long as there is a lot more good than bad I'm not gonna worry about it too much.
especially if it is something pretty much completely out of my control.

If the results are good I am certainly not gonna be a part of the
"lets always assume the worst" crowd.

Don't you understand by now June Jones marches to the beat of a different drummer?

But he gets results. He got results at Hawaii and he has turrned this program around.

Obviously he knows what he's doing or he would not have coached in the Sugar Bowl
among many other bowls and have someone paying him millions of dollars.

Bennett and Cavan played by all the rules you guys are sooooo concerned about and where
did that get us? Bennett and Cavan didn't vacation in Hawaii and look where it got us!
Bennett and Cavan didn't wear black and wore lots of SMU gear and look at where it got us!
The point being....what matters is results no matter how you get there.

Re: tcu recruiting

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:54 am
by Peruna_Ate_My_Rolex
Insane_Pony_Posse wrote:
Don't you understand by now June Jones marches to the beat of a different drummer?

Maybe he ought to consider changing out the drummer because he's clearly off a few beats.



But he gets results. He got results at Hawaii and he has turrned this program around.

He got results for one year at Hawaii against a weak schedule that included TWO DI-AA teams. Also, if it wasn't for Ty Willingham's Washington Huskies choking away a large lead(a 3 or 4 TD lead), they would have never made it to the Sugar Bowl.


Obviously he knows what he's doing or he would not have coached in the Sugar Bowl
among many other bowls and have someone paying him millions of dollars.

If you had even bothered to check, you would see that the only bowls he's ever lead Hawaii to besides the Sugar Bowl were the bowls played in Hawaii. As far as the millions he's getting paid, he's not really earned his keep. 3 Bowls? sure, that's nice but as far as I can tell, he has plateaued with this program.


Bennett and Cavan played by all the rules you guys are sooooo concerned about and where
did that get us? Bennett and Cavan didn't vacation in Hawaii and look where it got us!
Bennett and Cavan didn't wear black and wore lots of SMU gear and look at where it got us!
The point being....what matters is results no matter how you get there.

Again, Bennett and Cavan didn't even half the freedom that Jones has had to accomplish his mediocrity. Bennett got us to a 6-6 record in one season with lesser talent and probably could have gotten us to, at minimum, a 7-5 record and a Bowl if he had what June's had available. Also, both of those guys had enough respect for the program to at least look like they were interested in coaching here. Jones looks like he's constantly constipated and rather be hanging out with his "ohana" in Hawaii. He's tried all sorts of gimmicks(i.e. the geldings, the "walk," black jerseys) to try and distract people from actually trying to pay attention to how he does his job. If you're fine with sticking your head in the sand and being happy about playing in minor bowls, then you clearly choose to ignore the issues surrounding how this program is run.




Re: tcu recruiting

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:00 am
by JonesDoe
Peruna_Ate_My_Rolex wrote:
Insane_Pony_Posse wrote:
Don't you understand by now June Jones marches to the beat of a different drummer?

Maybe he ought to consider changing out the drummer because he's clearly off a few beats.



But he gets results. He got results at Hawaii and he has turrned this program around.

He got results for one year at Hawaii against a weak schedule that included TWO DI-AA teams. Also, if it wasn't for Ty Willingham's Washington Huskies choking away a large lead(a 3 or 4 TD lead), they would have never made it to the Sugar Bowl. Washington did not choke, Brennan put the hammer down on them just like he did ASU and Boise State.


Obviously he knows what he's doing or he would not have coached in the Sugar Bowl
among many other bowls and have someone paying him millions of dollars.

If you had even bothered to check, you would see that the only bowls he's ever lead Hawaii to besides the Sugar Bowl were the bowls played in Hawaii. As far as the millions he's getting paid, he's not really earned his keep. 3 Bowls? sure, that's nice but as far as I can tell, he has plateaued with this program.
QB play plateaued with Padron and we got a bump with McD.. 2012 has every indication of QB play delivering a high octane season so for now support the coach we sould make a big improvement this year.

Bennett and Cavan played by all the rules you guys are sooooo concerned about and where
did that get us? Bennett and Cavan didn't vacation in Hawaii and look where it got us!
Bennett and Cavan didn't wear black and wore lots of SMU gear and look at where it got us!
The point being....what matters is results no matter how you get there.

Again, Bennett and Cavan didn't even half the freedom that Jones has had to accomplish his mediocrity. Bennett got us to a 6-6 record in one season with lesser talent and probably could have gotten us to, at minimum, a 7-5 record and a Bowl if he had what June's had available. Also, both of those guys had enough respect for the program to at least look like they were interested in coaching here. Jones looks like he's constantly constipated and rather be hanging out with his "ohana" in Hawaii. He's tried all sorts of gimmicks(i.e. the geldings, the "walk," black jerseys) to try and distract people from actually trying to pay attention to how he does his job. If you're fine with sticking your head in the sand and being happy about playing in minor bowls, then you clearly choose to ignore the issues surrounding how this program is run.
Contact Orsini if you have issues with how the program is run. Tell him how to do his job.



Re: tcu recruiting

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:26 pm
by PK
JonesDoe wrote:QB play plateaued with Padron and we got a bump with McD.. 2012 has every indication of QB play delivering a high octane season so for now support the coach we sould make a big improvement this year.
You and JJ need to get your heads together and get the story straight. Towards the end of the season, JJ stated basically that 2012 was not going to be as good as the last few years. Has he changed his mind or was that based upon his thinking he wouldn't be here?

Re: tcu recruiting

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 2:24 pm
by Insane_Pony_Posse
Peruna_Ate_My_Rolex wrote:Maybe he ought to consider changing out the drummer
because he's clearly off a few beats.

Ummm by the look of things June Jones has done quite well doing things "his way"
in the football world.....I would assume much better than you, Stallion and other message board know-it-alls. Who in the hell are you to lecture June Jones about how to run a football program? Let’s see your football resume?


Peruna_Ate_My_Rolex wrote:He got results for one year at Hawaii against a weak schedule that included TWO DI-AA teams. Also, if it wasn't for Ty Willingham's Washington Huskies choking away a large lead(a 3 or 4 TD lead), they would have never made it to the Sugar Bowl.

One year?
Go check with reality.
June Jones turned around a dead Hawaii program, just like he has here.
Your "if" "if" "if"'s are funny.


Peruna_Ate_My_Rolex wrote:Again, Bennett and Cavan didn't even half the freedom that Jones has had to accomplish his mediocrity.

And why is that?
Why didn’t Bennett or Cavan have the "freedom" they needed?
Hello...Earth to PerunaRolex?....
Because they didnt have the pull June Jones does.
You think it’s a total coincidence everything changed when June arrived?
Bottom line Bennett/Cavan couldn’t get the changes made….JUNE DID!


Peruna_Ate_My_Rolex wrote:Bennett got us to a 6-6 record in one season with lesser talent and probably could have gotten us to, at minimum, a 7-5 record and a Bowl if he had what June's had available.

If if if if if……
And if those guys were so good and it was "just the system" how come nobody has offered those guys (Bennett & Cavan) head coaching jobs?


Peruna_Ate_My_Rolex wrote:Also, both of those guys had enough respect for the program to at least look like they were interested in coaching here. Jones looks like he's constantly constipated and rather be hanging out with his "ohana" in Hawaii.

Yeah and a lot of good that did.
Yeah Boss lets get a coach that "hangs out at Lake Texoma" and never goes to a bowl!


Peruna_Ate_My_Rolex wrote:
He's tried all sorts of gimmicks(i.e. the geldings, the "walk," black jerseys) to try and distract people from actually trying to pay attention to how he does his job

Bennett and Cavan both changed parts of our uniforms.
Distract people from turning this program around from the dead?


Peruna_Ate_My_Rolex wrote: If you're fine with sticking your head in the sand and being happy about playing in minor bowls, then you clearly choose to ignore the issues surrounding how this program is run.

I am fine with an improving program playing in better bowls each year.
Your boys Bennett & Cavan couldn’t even get us to a bowl period!…minor or major!
This year we beat PITT in a bowl game & you’re worried where June vacations! :roll:

Re: tcu recruiting

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:17 pm
by Peruna_Ate_My_Rolex
Insane_Pony_Posse wrote:Ummm by the look of things June Jones has done quite well doing things "his way"
in the football world.....I would assume much better than you, Stallion and other message board know-it-alls. Who in the hell are you to lecture June Jones about how to run a football program? Let’s see your football resume?


The better question is, who in the hell are you to say that he is doing his job? Obviously, you're quite happy with mediocrity, so that tells me that you know as much as I do about his ability to run a football program.


Peruna_Ate_My_Rolex wrote:He got results for one year at Hawaii against a weak schedule that included TWO DI-AA teams. Also, if it wasn't for Ty Willingham's Washington Huskies choking away a large lead(a 3 or 4 TD lead), they would have never made it to the Sugar Bowl.

One year?
Go check with reality.
June Jones turned around a dead Hawaii program, just like he has here.
Your "if" "if" "if"'s are funny.


Not as funny as the obvious ducking of my response to your point of "all the bowls" that Junesus has partaken. You obviously didn't do a reality check on that one, my friend. Sure, he has turned around the program with a few winning seasons here and there but my point is that it wasn't his "great" coaching skills as much as having luck that year. I'm sure you have your excuse ready as to why he bombed at the Sugar Bowl.


Peruna_Ate_My_Rolex wrote:Again, Bennett and Cavan didn't even half the freedom that Jones has had to accomplish his mediocrity.

And why is that?
Why didn’t Bennett or Cavan have the "freedom" they needed?
Hello...Earth to PerunaRolex?....
Because they didnt have the pull June Jones does.
You think it’s a total coincidence everything changed when June arrived?
Bottom line Bennett/Cavan couldn’t get the changes made….JUNE DID!


June only got the changes he wanted because he knew that he had SMU by the balls when it got so late in the year for hiring a coach that if they screwed up, they were heading towards [deleted] creek without a paddle. Oh he pulled, alright. Even though he's gotten more pull, he's still got a ways to go and with only one guy known to recruit well, we're still swimming upstream. I agree that we've upgraded our talent but it seems to me that he's still not fighting the battles enough to make that change noticeable.

Bennett and Cavan never got it done because they knew they didn't stand a chance going against the adminstration and because the school never made the commitment to football. Even if we had Nick Saban coaching this team during those years, the team would still be lacking because he wouldn't be able to bring in the talent because of the lack of commitment. Again, this was only made possible because June had SMU by the balls, not because he had "pull" with the admin or the boosters.


Peruna_Ate_My_Rolex wrote:Bennett got us to a 6-6 record in one season with lesser talent and probably could have gotten us to, at minimum, a 7-5 record and a Bowl if he had what June's had available.

If if if if if……
And if those guys were so good and it was "just the system" how come nobody has offered those guys (Bennett & Cavan) head coaching jobs?


Probably because everyone knows that prior to June, SMU was a head coaching dead end because of how SMU handled its business. I never said that they were good. In fact, I thought they were very mediocre to subpar coaches. My point was that if we had not had those restrictions during those years, the program would not have been as downtrodden as it was when June arrived.

Peruna_Ate_My_Rolex wrote:Also, both of those guys had enough respect for the program to at least look like they were interested in coaching here. Jones looks like he's constantly constipated and rather be hanging out with his "ohana" in Hawaii.


Yeah and a lot of good that did.
Yeah Boss lets get a coach that "hangs out at Lake Texoma" and never goes to a bowl!


Just like a lot of good it did for June to go hanging out with those folks from Tempe and recruiting for them on our alma mater's dime?


Peruna_Ate_My_Rolex wrote:
He's tried all sorts of gimmicks(i.e. the geldings, the "walk," black jerseys) to try and distract people from actually trying to pay attention to how he does his job

Bennett and Cavan both changed parts of our uniforms.

Distract people from turning this program around from the dead?


No,more like distracting people from ignoring some of the questionable play calling and the sputtering offense for most of the past couple of seasons. Maybe while he's trying to save horses, he should also work more with his QB's since he has been given the rep of being QB guru. How many QB's has he run off, I mean run through, in his tenure?



Peruna_Ate_My_Rolex wrote: If you're fine with sticking your head in the sand and being happy about playing in minor bowls, then you clearly choose to ignore the issues surrounding how this program is run.

I am fine with an improving program playing in better bowls each year.
Your boys Bennett & Cavan couldn’t even get us to a bowl period!…minor or major!
This year we beat PITT in a bowl game & you’re worried where June vacations! :roll:


I think the improvement is questionable. Yes, the team improved after an abysmal 1-11 season with a great 8-5 but then it regressed with a lackluster 7-7 and now with an 8-5 record. It's spastic, to say the least. As for them being "my boys," hardly. I cringe every time I see PB on my screen. You seem to casually forget my constant Oscar posts on here during his tenure. As for your bragging about beating Pitt, we beat a 6-6 team from the Big East that was down to 4 full time coaches after their head coach took the job that your beloved June was denied after the alumni at ASU went into an uproar over his potential hiring. It was like beating up a pinata without a blindfold. Better yet, just go back to your childhood when you were probably the kid on the playground who took joy in pushing all the smaller kids to the ground. That's what beating Pitt probably felt like to you.
As for where June goes to vacation, he can go wherever he pleases for all I care but I expect more out of him this year when it comes to signing day 2013. The bottom line is that we ALL want the program to improve and while I feel that June has made progress, it just seems to me that the program has started to plateau.

Re: tcu recruiting

Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:47 am
by VarsityShop
Do you realize the coach you belittle, June Jones, took over a Hawaii team that had lost 18 games in a row? Coach Jones then led Hawaii in his 1st season to a share of the Western Athletic Conference football championship, which is one of the biggest turnarounds in NCAA football history. Coach Jones went on to become the winningest head coach in Hawaii football history including 6 bowls, first place in the WAC twice & 2nd two other times. Now he has brought our beloved SMU Mustangs back from the dead in another one of the biggest turnarounds in NCAA football history with 3 straight bowl games and an invite to the Big East Conference and all you seem to want to do is criticize the guy and point out the negatives?