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I predict some 3 and 4 win seasons during the next 2-4 years but by year 4 of the probation they are at 5 wins and then will be able to get to 7 to 9 wins in 5 to 8 years. I think what they were given and the net result will be what the NCAA intended the death penalty to be....exterminate the bad elements, give the power back to the university, and make the program suffer for 5 years with the hope that that suffering will prevent future crimes. Also, this case proves the most important thing when dealing with the NCAA. Admit when you make a mistake. SMU never did. And neither did USC. When you admit to the NCAA you made a mistake, they work with you' when you don't, the bring the hammer.

Are you saying USC got hammered? They hardly missed a beat

couch 'em wrote:Are you saying USC got hammered? They hardly missed a beat

Exactly. They will be contending for the national title this year.

I said when the USC sanctions were announced that they didn't really punish USC at all. I will be proven right this year.

Are you saying PSU admitted to their mistakes? They had over a decade of cover ups to FELONIES committed on their campus. They never accepted responsibility. And a couple more still face prosecution and possible jail time.

There is a bit of difference between recruiting violations and allowing a known pedophile to use your campus, not reporting known sex offender and covering up all allegations for OVER A DECADE!! How many of you would work in the same office building or associate with a guy who you know is a pedophile and has never been turned over to the cops? Would you say anything or just allow him to walk around, talk to him like normal, bring him into your own office to chat? Disgusting.

Anyone who really thinks PSU got the punishment they deserved is blind. They still collect paychecks, still get to be on TV, and still get to play football in front of 100k every Saturday. Yep, they learned their lesson. If I was any other school in the NCAA I would be cheating my [deleted] off knowing that I couldn't get the same punishment as PSU because all of that is way worse then any recruiting violations. If USC sanctions are what could possibly happen to me several years after competing for national championships, sign me up. They've proven it wasn't that big of deal.

CalallenStang wrote:

couch 'em wrote:Are you saying USC got hammered? They hardly missed a beat

Exactly. They will be contending for the national title this year.

I said when the USC sanctions were announced that they didn't really punish USC at all. I will be proven right this year.

No punishment? Most USC fans would say no bowl games for two years and ongoing scholarship restrictions qualify as punishment!

USC has survived (so far) because:
1) The players that transferred out weren't starters
2) The starting QB kept the team together and came back when he could have easily left.

So while the starting lineup is talented, there is little depth at several postions. One key injury can upset the apple cart. http://usc.ocregister.com/2012/07/26/re ... on/109385/

these type of probations really don't affect you until 2-3 years down the line. SMU was competitive for Conference Championships too after a series a harsh probations but it was eating away at the program year by year. A botched play here-lack of depth there and you lose a couple of games you could have won-like the A&M when Jackie Sherrill broke through. USC is just a different deal-everyone loves LA. Not really fair and there certainly is no legal basis for giving harsher punishment to school just because of things unrelated to the probation. Even USC is going to take a hit though as scholarships dry up. It happened to OU, it happened to Miami before, it happened to SMU and many other examples

Plus it is not over.

Major sponsors have pulled their sponsorship of Penn State games and others are considering. If they lose the sponsors, then the networks will pull the coverage. Also, if the ratings fall, the networks will also reconsider the broadcasts.

Now the civil suits are starting, this will cost the University dearly. $60mil fine is nothing compared to what can happen with the civil suits.

Let's wait and see what happens in chapter 2.

Unfortunately, I don't see too many sponsors abandoning Penn State. 100,000 tickets means a hell of a lot of eyes would see the ads for products around the stadium.
I still feel Penn State got away light in the punishment department.

For one they will be uninsurable. Going to have to set some
$$ aside to self insure

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/27/opinion/jones-penn-state-trustees/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

She needs to be careful writing stuff like this; PSU may go back and revoke her degree

ericdickerson4life wrote:Are you saying PSU admitted to their mistakes? They had over a decade of cover ups to FELONIES committed on their campus. They never accepted responsibility. And a couple more still face prosecution and possible jail time.

It might also be handy to remember there is a big difference between ADMITTING to a crime, and being CAUGHT.

PSU was "caught".

They 'admitted' to the felonies ONLY after being "caught".

Prior to that, they made a business of covering-up.

No pity here, only disgust.

Dwan wrote:I predict some 3 and 4 win seasons during the next 2-4 years but by year 4 of the probation they are at 5 wins and then will be able to get to 7 to 9 wins in 5 to 8 years. I think what they were given and the net result will be what the NCAA intended the death penalty to be....exterminate the bad elements, give the power back to the university, and make the program suffer for 5 years with the hope that that suffering will prevent future crimes. Also, this case proves the most important thing when dealing with the NCAA. Admit when you make a mistake. SMU never did. And neither did USC. When you admit to the NCAA you made a mistake, they work with you' when you don't, the bring the hammer.

The PSU historical formula is to schedule 4 cripple home games every year guaranteeing these teams roughly $400,000 with no reciprical home and home series. The $400,000 is a big payday for the little school and lets them say the played the great PSU. These games almost always guarantee PSU a bowl game and allow them to rake in the $$$$ with over 100,000 bodies in the stands. They then get 4 home Big 10 games making it a nice 8 game home schedule every year with very few exceptions. As depleted as they might become they are still going to be playing at home against teams like Youngstown State...etc. I think your predictions are realistic with the understanding that Big 10 teams like Minnesota, Indiana, Purdue, Northwestern and Illinois have not been very good ( one year exceptions) for decades. The result is that PSU ( with the exception of 3 Big 10 games a year) have not had a very difficult schedule for many years and their future schedule reflects this historical scheduling.