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Baylor offense vs. SMU defense
Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 6:26 pm
by Pony Up
I don't claim to know a lot about Baylor, since I hate that place and wouldn't dream of watching them except against SMU. But I looked at their 2011 stats, and with the departures to the NFL of QB Robert Griffin, WR Kendall Wright and RB Terrance Ganaway, it looks like they lost more than I realized.
2011 total team rushing: 3,063 yards
Griffin, Wright, Ganaway: 2,318
Total lost: 75.7%
2011 total team passing: 4,569
Griffin, Wright, Ganaway: 4,348
Total lost: 95.6%
(Incidentally, Baylor's new QB, Nick Florence, is supposed to be really good. But as Griffin's backup, he passed for only 96 more yards -- 151 to 55 -- than WR Wright.)
2011 total team receiving: 4,569
Griffin, Wright, Ganaway: 1,663
Total lost: 37.9%
Re: Baylor offense vs. SMU defense
Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 7:27 pm
by Stallion
Baylor's offense won't drop the cliff. They got 3 WRs (incluing a Michigan transfer) who are 50 for 800+ guys. A 4th WR is a 42 for 600 yard guy. They all averaged 14-17 ypc. Plus Lache Seastrunk should be very explosive not to mention some returning very productive RBs who combined for a 6 ypc average
Re: Baylor offense vs. SMU defense
Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 7:48 pm
by WordUpBU
Our offense is probably best compared to a blend of what UH, So Miss, Rice, and Tulsa do schematically.
We have 3 of our top 4 WRs coming back and all 3 have deep speed. We return a really good all around TE in 6'6 255 Jordan Navjar and a good backup with Jerod Monk.
Terrance Williams is the best outside guy-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXcPv4qzwOA&list=PLD39F7F415D0D72C5&index=38&feature=plpp_videoTevin Reese is the best returning slot guy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrphOFoZ40Q&list=PLD39F7F415D0D72C5&index=37&feature=plpp_videoOL returns 3 guys but has been reshuffled. The two tackle spots will be new guys who probably will be eventual upgrade but likely will have growing pains.
RB has 3 very capable guys coming back although Ganaway had the lions share of the carries last year. Not worried there.
#21 Jarred Salubi is a 5'9 210 guy that is really elusive and has a lot of experience.
#7 Glasco Martin is the size-speed guy that runs downhill at almost 220 with good speed.
#25 Lache Seastrunk has the highest upside but is very raw.
QB is Nick Florence who is a 6'1 200 guy with enough of a deep arm to make you respect it and enough mobility to keep the D honest on a QB read much like how Andy Dalton or Colt McCoy could running it. Not anywhere near the talent of RG3 but our scheme doesn't require him to be. Played in 2009 and had to face arguably the best defenses that UT, OU, NU, and OSU have had with their current head coaches and played with a injury depleted roster. Stats overall weren't great but showed good decisions and accuracy as a completely green qb and set a then-record for passing yards in a game at Missouri on the way to BU upsetting them in Columbia.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwYoPmS-SHYCame in and replaced RG3 who was out with a concussion against Tech last fall and played really well both running and throwing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A45nlpp6ArE&list=PLD39F7F415D0D72C5&index=11&feature=plpp_videoWe won't be as good as the 2011 offense but should be a good unit. Defense and special teams are the big issues IMO. Both must improve.
Re: Baylor offense vs. SMU defense
Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 9:10 pm
by SMU 86
June's offense will light up Bennett's defense IMO.
Re: Baylor offense vs. SMU defense
Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 9:22 pm
by WordUpBU
SMU 86 wrote:June's offense will light up Bennett's defense IMO.
Depends on how well your OL & QB come along. Bennett's D has a lot of returning guys and should be much better in year 2.
I understand his struggles at SMU but weren't his recruiting budgets really limited compared to what June has had on the hilltop?
Re: Baylor offense vs. SMU defense
Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 9:29 pm
by sbsmith
SMU 86 wrote:June's offense will light up Bennett's defense IMO.
Never underestimate June's ability to make an opposing defense look far better than it is.
Re: Baylor offense vs. SMU defense
Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 9:32 pm
by ponyboy
Remarkable ignorance. Wow.
Re: Baylor offense vs. SMU defense
Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 9:41 pm
by Alaric
WordUpBU wrote:SMU 86 wrote:June's offense will light up Bennett's defense IMO.
Depends on how well your OL & QB come along. Bennett's D has a lot of returning guys and should be much better in year 2.
I understand his struggles at SMU but weren't his recruiting budgets really limited compared to what June has had on the hilltop?
IF Gilbert does incredibly well, we'll have a good offense. If he struggles, the offense will be anemic...shouldnt have high expectations of a qb in a radically new offense. With better coaching on the OL (assuming the much improved OL in the bowl game was largely due to Klemm's incompetence), I don't think we'll see much of a drop off on the OL. Offense has to be a huge unknown right now. D will be the best we've seen since 1986 but they've got a lot of depth on offense and innovative schemes that will pressure any defense. I don't want to have to rely on a shootout.
Re: Baylor offense vs. SMU defense
Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:10 pm
by SMU 86
Alaric wrote:WordUpBU wrote:SMU 86 wrote:June's offense will light up Bennett's defense IMO.
Depends on how well your OL & QB come along. Bennett's D has a lot of returning guys and should be much better in year 2.
I understand his struggles at SMU but weren't his recruiting budgets really limited compared to what June has had on the hilltop?
IF Gilbert does incredibly well, we'll have a good offense. If he struggles, the offense will be anemic...shouldnt have high expectations of a qb in a radically new offense. With better coaching on the OL (assuming the much improved OL in the bowl game was largely due to Klemm's incompetence), I don't think we'll see much of a drop off on the OL. Offense has to be a huge unknown right now. D will be the best we've seen since 1986 but they've got a lot of depth on offense and innovative schemes that will pressure any defense. I don't want to have to rely on a shootout.
June says our offense is similar to what he ran at Lake Travis.
Re: Baylor offense vs. SMU defense
Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 12:12 am
by ojaipony
RG3 was awesome, all-world, etc, no doubt. But Baylor's team was very good. They will be very good this year. We will have our hands full defensively. If our offense can click it will get interesting
Re: Baylor offense vs. SMU defense
Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 9:33 am
by ALEX LIFESON
With our lack of speed at the safety positions, I would expect a number of post and seam routes.
Re: Baylor offense vs. SMU defense
Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 1:33 pm
by ojaipony
ALEX LIFESON wrote:With our lack of speed at the safety positions, I would expect a number of post and seam routes.
We need sacks then. I'm concerned about the other DE position. Grenier is ok, but we need a pass rushing specialist. I was really hoping Christian Holloway would step up, but I haven't heard anything about how he did in Spring which leads me to believe he is too green and is more like a year away.
Re: Baylor offense vs. SMU defense
Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 1:37 pm
by WordUpBU
ALEX LIFESON wrote:With our lack of speed at the safety positions, I would expect a number of post and seam routes.
Are the two projected starters really slow? I know Banjo had solid speed when he was there last year.
Re: Baylor offense vs. SMU defense
Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 1:47 pm
by SMU 86
ojaipony wrote:ALEX LIFESON wrote:With our lack of speed at the safety positions, I would expect a number of post and seam routes.
We need sacks then. I'm concerned about the other DE position. Grenier is ok, but we need a pass rushing specialist. I was really hoping Christian Holloway would step up, but I haven't heard anything about how he did in Spring which leads me to believe he is too green and is more like a year away.
Holloway sat out practice during the Spring due to some issue with a class transferring I believe. He should be ready to go now.
Re: Baylor offense vs. SMU defense
Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 1:52 pm
by sbsmith
WordUpBU wrote:ALEX LIFESON wrote:With our lack of speed at the safety positions, I would expect a number of post and seam routes.
Are the two projected starters really slow? I know Banjo had solid speed when he was there last year.
They're not burners and will get exposed when going up against track stars like Baylor has especially when the fatigue from a HUNO pace gets to them.