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...for breaking their own rules investigating University of Miami...

Just like I said in my book when they investigated SMU.

Seems to be a pattern of abuse...maybe the NCAA deserves the "Death Penalty" for repeat violations?

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/um-h ... 0188.story

dbone wrote:...for breaking their own rules investigating University of Miami...

Just like I said in my book when they investigated SMU.

Seems to be a pattern of abuse...maybe the NCAA deserves the "Death Penalty" for repeat violations?

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/um-h ... 0188.story

Love the book. If you have not read Pony Trap, you need to get a copy ASAP. It really explains a lot of why and how SMU got the Death Penalty, and why we can still be bitter.

Miami case still would not have a single thing to do with SMU case. SMU conducted its own investigation outlined in the Bishop's Report accepted by the Board of Governors and SMU admitted allegations which clerarly showed unparallelled lack of institutional control at the level of Board of Governors, President, Athletic Director and Coaching Staffs. SMU had due process remerdies and chose not to seek due process appellate remedies and therefore was bound by its own findings. NCAA didn't uncover SMU Death Penalty violations through violations of SMU's due process, SMU itself uncovered violations after leads from Belo which it sent to the NCAA. The NCAA never performed a full investigations of the Death Penalty violations-they ruled in only a few months based on admitted findings. NCAA accepted findings of the Bishop Report and then ruled on violations. That is the exact opposite of the Miami case

Stallion...we all know the details of what SMU agreed to in the Bishop's Report...the point is...the NCAA broke their rules in our investigation...just like they broke their rules in the Miami investigation.

What the schools did is irrelevant...the game is what the NCAA did.

We'll I guess you made your case Chief-did they really "break their rules (grerat specification) to screw poor innocent SMU" . Geez. I don't remember SMU making that argument in a written objection or appeal of the Death Penalty. You keep trying to make a due process argument that irrelevant because we never appealed or sued the NCAA. That's usually best when you have no case and trying to avoid the national embarrassment and humiliation caused by the truth (or more accurately about 1/2 the truth) coming to light.

Not just Miami...

Documents that the NCAA is aggressively trying to keep under seal appear to show improper involvement by NCAA staff and committee members in the landmark USC decision more than two years ago.

A judge's decision made public last week -- and obtained in full by CBSSports.com -- shows that at least three persons may have improperly tried to influence the NCAA's powerful infractions committee to find former USC assistant Todd McNair complicit in the Reggie Bush case. Lawyers for McNair are trying to show the association violated its own rules and procedures in investigating their client.

Two non-voting members of the NCAA infractions committee and NCAA staffer allegedly tried to influence voting members inside the 10-person committee. The judge's decision contains excerpts of emails that he has determined show "ill will or hatred" toward McNair.

Documents appear to show improper NCAA involvement in USC case

How can anyone continue to believe anything the NCAA says or does?

Stallion wrote:We'll I guess you made your case Chief-did they really "break their rules (grerat specification) to screw poor innocent SMU" . Geez. I don't remember SMU making that argument in a written objection or appeal of the Death Penalty. You keep trying to make a due process argument that irrelevant because we never appealed or sued the NCAA. That's usually best when you have no case and trying to avoid the national embarrassment and humiliation caused by the truth (or more accurately about 1/2 the truth) coming to light.

Well Damn...I usually call people Chief...so you got me. You seem to have such animosity regarding me and this subject...it's just weird.

My due process argument is over with you.

Is Miami innocent? Did the NCAA break their rules? Will Miami get off?

Ask yourself the same questions regarding the SMU case. Then let go of your anger and see the parallels regarding the NCAA's actions.

We were guilty...but we should have gotten off just like Miami will.

You forgot dbone, Stallion is smarter than everyone else. (sarcasm) LOL!!!

NCAA investigations reminds me of....

It is bizarre, to me, that an institution that just a few months ago completely made up rules as it went along (Ped State) now suddenly develops a conscience and wants to the things by the book.

It appears the NCAA can be as flexible as it needs to be based on the circumstances. A horrific homosexual pedophile is caught and public opinion is raging, then the NCAA can find a way to punish. Need a red hot guilty program to get off scot free, create an 'internal' violation.

One can only imagine what the NCAA will come up with to meet the next ‘challenge’.