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and this is exactly why the Big XII is looking for ways to preserve what they have (or should I say Texas is looking to preserve what they have?) 18 member leagues make sense because you can try to keep those 9 member divisions more geographic. Big 10 and SEC will lead and Texas knows that the Big XII and ACC in particular are vulnerable

it looks like we are headed for what amounts to an 8 team playoff for the national championship (conference championships are the 1st round with division winners of the 4 major conferences squaring off to determine which 4 schools advance to the "official" playoff)

Gee said "there has been ongoing discussion" about expansion and "believes there is movement towards three or four super conferences that are made up of 16-20 teams."

Hence why PAC has to grow. The others have no issue with going to 3x16-20 if PAC doesn't match them in size.

Big 12 and PAC could merge and form Divisions while releasing 2-4 schools to another conference. 18-20 team Western Conference. That is preferable to both PAC and Big 12 strategically than considering SMU

...and there are those out there who believe now is the time for SMU to step it up:

http://www.rantsports.com/ncaa-football ... relevance/

Stallion wrote:Big 12 and PAC could merge and form Divisions while releasing 2-4 schools to another conference. 18-20 team Western Conference. That is preferable to both PAC and Big 12 strategically than considering SMU

Yes but B12 is also currently in catbird seat ready to take ACC teams like FSU and Clem after B10 takes other ACC schools. What does Texas want to do - go west or keep LHN and take some ACC schools?

Let's see if 18 that makes 72 teams. 20 makes 80. It would get interesting if it moved to 20. The SEC would have to add six schools. B1G would have to add six schools. The PAC would have to add 8 schools. And what would be the fourth conference? If you moved to four conferences, you could have the PAC and Big XII merge. Move WVU to the SEC. KU to the B1G. Then it gets tricky. If the B1G holds to the AAU requirement, then it has to find 5 more AAU schools. UVA, GT, UNC, Syracuse and ND? And who does the SEC ask? I can think of perhaps FSU, Clemson, WVU, VT, and who? Louisville, Pitt, NCS, WF, SMU, UH? And then there is that 4th conference of say 20 teams. Is that the ACC leftovers, BE leftovers and MWC leftovers? Duke, WF, NCS, Pitt, SMU, UH, UConn, Cincy, Memphis, Boise, SDS, Temple, Navy, AFA, Tulane, UNLV, UNM, CSU, Wyoming, and who else? Wow?

Either way, we need to go on a 2-3 year kick [deleted] run (I'm more confident about bball than fball unfortunately). String a couple of 1-2 loss seasons and we'll get on the radar.

I hope it happens but we are talking about SMU.

Stallion wrote:Big 12 and PAC could merge and form Divisions while releasing 2-4 schools to another conference. 18-20 team Western Conference. That is preferable to both PAC and Big 12 strategically than considering SMU

Releasing schools? Not going to happen

7 years ago that would have been stanford, but not cal. Now it would be Cal not stanford.

GRGB wrote:

Stallion wrote:Big 12 and PAC could merge and form Divisions while releasing 2-4 schools to another conference. 18-20 team Western Conference. That is preferable to both PAC and Big 12 strategically than considering SMU

Releasing schools? Not going to happen

7 years ago that would have been stanford, but not cal. Now it would be Cal not stanford.

It could happen. For instance if the Big 10 is interested in Kansas and Iowa St. and the others want to go West, they could all agree to void the grant of rights and everybody leaves happy.

ojaipony wrote:Either way, we need to go on a 2-3 year kick [deleted] run (I'm more confident about bball than fball unfortunately). String a couple of 1-2 loss seasons and we'll get on the radar.

Ahem. We make progress the old fashion way, we earn it.

The article below repeats some of the previous comments, but also emphasizes the value of Super Conferences, who might provide the four semi-teams in the new playoff system in 2014. With two divisions and the resulting Conference Championship winner becomes one of the four teams to advanced.

"With all of the seasons emphasis on conference play, current conference schedules potentially expand to an even number (for competitive equality; home vs. away). The Big Ten considered moving to nine conference games in 2017, prior to the Pac-12 deal dissolving. They again could decide to move to nine or could easily add another. The non-conference schedule shrinks from four to two but those games essentially become exhibition games, since playoff eligibility is entirely determined by conference play."

http://www.blackheartgoldpants.com/2013 ... nsion-talk

I would love to see the list of school revenue and see where we stack up numerically as a whole. I think that will probably tell us what rank we are overall in the scheme of things, and how big the 4 major conferences need to become in order for us to have a shot.

Stallion wrote:Big 12 and PAC could merge and form Divisions while releasing 2-4 schools to another conference. 18-20 team Western Conference. That is preferable to both PAC and Big 12 strategically than considering SMU

A merge and booting teams doesn't seem particularly feasible but blowing up the Big 12 and accomplishing the same thing does. If Big10 goes all the way to 20 perhaps they try to pick up a team like Kansas and one other (but who?), and PAC made another run at the Texas/Tech (or more likely TCU for the DFW metroplex) plus Oklahoma/OkSt. again, that would give you 6 teams trying to leave. I suspect a majority of teams could vote to kill the Grant of Rights.

This would save the ACC as the 4th conference, perhaps and probably block us out again.

couch 'em wrote:

Stallion wrote:Big 12 and PAC could merge and form Divisions while releasing 2-4 schools to another conference. 18-20 team Western Conference. That is preferable to both PAC and Big 12 strategically than considering SMU

A merge and booting teams doesn't seem particularly feasible but blowing up the Big 12 and accomplishing the same thing does. If Big10 goes all the way to 20 perhaps they try to pick up a team like Kansas and one other (but who?), and PAC made another run at the Texas/Tech (or more likely TCU for the DFW metroplex) plus Oklahoma/OkSt. again, that would give you 6 teams trying to leave. I suspect a majority of teams could vote to kill the Grant of Rights.

This would save the ACC as the 4th conference, perhaps and probably block us out again.

No conference can disinvite a member, but a conference can decide to end its existence. The more likely scenario is a transition to divisional status with a another conference, thus creating a Super Conference.