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Did anyone else get sick and tired of this motion swing pass? It seemed like for most of the game that was the only play we knew how to run. I'm curious to see Gilbert's stats if you take away this play.

Yes. It would be one thing if it got us more than 2 yards.

Been tired of that play for several years.

Need to stretch the field more vertically, IMO.

Haven't seen much change, but the plays may actually work in the American Conference - we'll see...

Other offenses use those plays to get coverage shifted towards the edges of the field so they can gash the defense in the middle (see UCLA). We don't run the ball enough to make teams afraid of it so they can play aggressively against those swing and screen passes (and we lack the blocking or the explosive athletes to break those plays open).

The concept of running that play makes sense but if it isn't working then you need to run a different play. Instead we choose to run it about 15 times a game. It just further proves the stubbornness of June.

mustang1108 wrote:The concept of running that play makes sense but if it isn't working then you need to run a different play. Instead we choose to run it about 15 times a game. It just further proves the stubbornness of June.

This play is really more important to Mumme's horizontal scheme and that is why we have run it even more this year. Receivers have to sustain blocks and need a playmaker with the ball in his hands...maybe when Shead gets back.

austinponie wrote:Been tired of that play for several years.

Need to stretch the field more vertically, IMO.

Haven't seen much change, but the plays may actually work in the American Conference - we'll see...

Have we been doing the motion swing pass for several years? I recall lots of bubble screens to wide receivers in past years, but not motion swing passes to running backs. That seems new this year to me.


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I guess you're right,
I just assumed it was the same because the results are the same....it goes nowhere....

YAC is very poor, our wr's are usually downed immediatly after the catch.

Make peace with it, it is not going away because it is a basic part of the offense.

As the season progresses, we will show that look with the motion and do something else out of it, then something else again. It is a fundamental play out of a fundamental formation with a fundamental maneuver (motion).

yes it is but the fact we can't or won't throw the ball downfield is also not part of the Air Raid. An Air Raid offense is leading the country in yards per completion and passing efficiency. SMU is making the defense cover 10 yards while Baylor makes you cover every blade of grass on the field.

Baylor stretching the field against a good Louisiana Monroe team:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URuSWLeeLgM

We do what we do

lwjr wrote:We do what we do

The play being discussed is new this year.


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Grant Carter wrote:

lwjr wrote:We do what we do

The play being discussed is new this year.


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agree. we lived on the bubble screen for years. the motion swing to the RB is new. i think it has the potential to work more as well.

Junior wrote:

Grant Carter wrote:

lwjr wrote:We do what we do

The play being discussed is new this year.


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agree. we lived on the bubble screen for years. the motion swing to the RB is new. i think it has the potential to work more as well.

Just like the bubble screen it won't work well unless we start blocking better or at the very least start running more to get more guys in the box and away from the perimeter giving the guy more space to operate.