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"Thirty women came to Baylor's tumbling coach some mentioning sexual assualt when she spoke and mentioned her faith and overcoming being molested. She immediately reported what she heard to Administration and was told the women were not her problem. "

I'm watching it now on Showtime-but for clarification its on "Showtime's 60 Minutes Sports"

Very damning. Particularly the part where they try to dismiss the former title IX officer Crawford's claim that the university tried to dismiss the women as being mentally ill, by calling Crawford herself mentally unstable. Quite a remarkable pattern there repeated by multiple administrators. Disgusting.

It is interesting reading the Baylor football blog.. Many of the alumni are absolutely disgusted, as they should be. Lots of them wouldn't be surprised to see the death penalty. Considering this deals with title IX and is a problem on other campuses(unlike the Penn state deal), I wouldn't be surprised to see the Dept. of Edu and NCAA look to make an example of them and come down very harshly.

PonyUp_62 wrote:It is interesting reading the Baylor football blog.. Many of the alumni are absolutely disgusted, as they should be. Lots of them wouldn't be surprised to see the death penalty. Considering this deals with title IX and is a problem on other campuses(unlike the Penn state deal), I wouldn't be surprised to see the Dept. of Edu and NCAA look to make an example of them and come down very harshly.

NCAA will stay completely out of the criminal/civil side of things this time...they learned that they are NOT the Justice Department during the Penn State fiasco.

The NCAA will side with the prevailing perception after the criminal/civil side is settled or revealed. The NCAA is about MONEY. It will go where there is the least amount of resistance to that cash. If that path is through Baylor and Baylor football, that is what will happen.

Baylor gets spanked, HARD, but no Death Penalty. Expect a series of tuition hikes in the coming 5 years for Baylor students and families.

It was hard hearing about how Baylor handled the situation.

I hope SMU takes steps in order to allow victims voices to be heard.

Clearly they have given up their right to be a Big 12 member.

As an alternative, perhaps the big 12 should switch them out for a different nearby private school that is much better academically and provides access to a top 4 media market. Plus have alums who aren't bat [deleted] crazy.

Just a thought.

It's ironic that Baylor's rise in football stature and all that has come with it might now become another factor in what might ultimately be the demise of the Big XII. Horrific PR for the school and in turn bad for the conference. Have to wonder whether the long term effect will be anywhere near what the death penalty was for SMU. Considering the investment Baylor has made in it's football program, I doubt it but I do think they could fall back into their more traditional doormat status within just a few short years as this scandal is not going to go away anytime soon. Baylor does not have the pedigree that Penn State had so I'm not sure they recover as quickly as PSU seems to have

Regarding whether BU will have the same difficulties which visited SMU post-DP - it all depends on the new Pres. the new CoB and the make-up of the new Board. If the Pres. and CoB believe that returning the FB program to prominence is essential to Baylor's "brand," FB will be competitive (4-6 wins) in a couple of years w/ an immediate influx of JCs and transfers. If the CoB is a Ray Hunt clone who hires his own version of Ken Pye, BU will wander aimlessly for years. Ken Pye received too much blame for what happened in FB. He was the consummate lawyer and was merely doing his client's bidding - Mr. Hunt and the anti-athletics trustees. Sadly, for those who thought paying players could be disconnected from FB excellence, Pye executed his
charge it very well.

fmced wrote:Regarding whether BU will have the same difficulties which visited SMU post-DP - it all depends on the new Pres. the new CoB and the make-up of the new Board. If the Pres. and CoB believe that returning the FB program to prominence is essential to Baylor's "brand," FB will be competitive (4-6 wins) in a couple of years w/ an immediate influx of JCs and transfers. If the CoB is a Ray Hunt clone who hires his own version of Ken Pye, BU will wander aimlessly for years. Ken Pye received too much blame for what happened in FB. He was the consummate lawyer and was merely doing his client's bidding - Mr. Hunt and the anti-athletics trustees. Sadly, for those who thought paying players could be disconnected from FB excellence, Pye executed his
charge it very well.

Pye was the perfect hatchet man to take down any culture of "big time" athletics at SMU. I lived in Durham and knew a lot of Duke people, including some coaches there at the time Pye was hired. What I heard consistently was that Pye was very much anti "big time" athletics and many felt that if it was up to him, college athletics would be played at the D-III level (or whatever level is non-scholarship these days)

The other issue for Baylor, like it was for us, is what do the Texas Baptists do (their denominational sponsor)? With us, the United Methodist Church (since we share a name) got very involved in Post DP- SMU, (they of course never got that involved with our sister school USC when they were paying players). The mores shown by Baylor would be horrific to the average pew sitting cooperative program donating, Texas Baptist. So, if the denomination flexes its muscle in this Baylor may be back at the bottom of the Big XII. They may require BYU or Liberty type rules of players and students to ensure this type of thing doesn't happen again.

EastStang wrote:The other issue for Baylor, like it was for us, is what do the Texas Baptists do (their denominational sponsor)? With us, the United Methodist Church (since we share a name) got very involved in Post DP- SMU, (they of course never got that involved with our sister school USC when they were paying players). The mores shown by Baylor would be horrific to the average pew sitting cooperative program donating, Texas Baptist. So, if the denomination flexes its muscle in this Baylor may be back at the bottom of the Big XII. They may require BYU or Liberty type rules of players and students to ensure this type of thing doesn't happen again.

EasStang, as you know doubt are aware, Texas Baptists (the old BGCT) relinquished "input/control" as it were during the theological controversies in the mid-late 1990s. The issue was funding, and how much (and how) churches gave to all the Baptist supported universities in the Texas. Baylor got the lion's share, and folks (for purposes of control) sought to even those $$ out to schools like Hardin-Simmons and Howard Payne. In that way, there would be pressure on Baylor to tow the line to a more conservative theological and educational format. It blew up in the faces of those that tried this strong-armed tactic, and it crippled Texas Baptists, with the eventual formation of another state convention.

Baptists now have a MUCH less input in the things Baylor...most Baptist pastors serving now didn't attend there. The result is that the way your average Baptist will address the current horror at Baylor is by refusing to send their sons and daughters to attend. We have a family in our church, one a strident alum of BU, that has clearly stated that she would fear to send her HS senior daughter to Baylor, after sending her oldest son and younger son (football player) to Baylor. Note their applications to go flat this next year, and begin a slide. This is where you will see the next shoe drop.

Long term Baylor is in a world of hurt in the public perception, and more so in the wave of litigation that is hitting and will hit. While I do not care a whit for Baylor, I am grieved that Texans and Baptists are drug into this cesspool, and am looking forward to transparency (forced, or otherwise) by a school that claims to know and be "better".

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It just gets worse: Former Baylor AD allegedly wanted immunity for players who were being investigated for rape.

Wow. That is crazy if substantiated. Wasn't he one of the last to go?