Baylor is not alone

[redpony]

Losers looking for a hand-out. What a bunch of BS. Do BU and ISU really think they are going to win anything. If aTm pays the 'opt-out' fee then I don't believe the other schools have a leg to stand on.

GO PONIES!!!

[HB Pony Dad]

A&M president: 'We are being held hostage'

In a Sept. 6 email to Slive, obtained by The Associated Press, Beebe writes: "If you seek waivers by the individual institutions, you must receive them from those institutions directly. I regret any confusion on this issue."

Which led to Wednesday's drama, in which Baylor, Iowa State and Kansas refused to waive legal rights. Reports surfaced that other schools would do the same, but have been unconfirmed.

"I felt that was really a violation of trust right there," A&M president R. Bowen Loftin told the AP in an interview. "We took this letter very seriously. We asked for such a statement. They gave it to us freely. It says here unanimous vote was taken and yet when we look at Beebe's letter last night it says: 'No we didn't really mean that,' and I find that to be rather difficult to digest."

Pursuant to Stewart Mandel

Jon Wilner of the San Jose Mercury News reported Tuesday that Pac-12 presidents and chancellors do not want to expand. I've even been told that last year's Pac-16 plan wasn't as close to a done deal internally as was reported at the time. Still, Scott is probably going to tell his member schools: You don't pass on programs like Oklahoma and Texas. But Texas isn't keen on joining the Pac-12, with its equal revenue sharing and pooled network, and there's no guarantee the presidents would take the Oklahoma schools on their own.

I sincerely hope this is true and the Big 12 -2 (eh 3 perhaps ?) stays together and/or expands back to 12 as I dread the thought of Okie Cowpokes and Pistol Packin' Red Raiders tramping the Coliseum turf where my Trojans and Traveler reign!

[RGV Pony]

Good find hbpd

[HB Pony Dad]

and the plot thickens...

Big 12 lined up against A&M

I guess BEVO doesn't want to lose their Ag Love Interest after all!

During Wednesday's call, the source said Texas A&M president R. Bowen Loftin asked if the schools would waive their right to litigation and only one -- Oklahoma -- agreed to do so. Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri, Iowa State, Texas, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State would not, the source said.

[gostangs]

sounds like aggie has himself a really big bill coming his way.

[mrydel]

So I offer a compromise. All remaining B12 teams agree to stay and SMU agrees to replace A&M. Sounds good to me.

[Water Pony]

Sports Illustrated:

"tortious interference"

"injunctive relief"

"irreparable harm"

Interesting legal comments from this article and video. I like the hard ball approach by Baylor and perhaps 4 or 5 other Big 12 members.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/w ... ig-12-sec/

Comments about resurrecting the Southwest Conference, as well as this post on the Baylor Website:

Football in Texas is more than a passing interest, it is a part of the fabric of this great state.

• Will Texans stand by and watch hundred-year-old rivalries be cast aside as the state's largest universities align themselves with other states across the country?

• Will Texans sit and watch as Texas' flagship universities pledge their loyalties to other states?

• Will Texans stand by as our most promising student athletes are lured out of Texas by new rivals?

• Will Texans watch as our most precious resources -- the great minds of the next generation -- are exported to new conference institutions?

[03Mustang]

Baylor and the other schools are just doing what A&M is doing...looking out for their own interests above all else.

The Aggies are being hypocrites here, plain and simple.

[Mexmustang]

They agreed to a contract, just because Dan the "idiot" is in charge, doesn't mean the Aggies should not be held accountable for a contract they agreed to not even a year ago. Dumb asses! What do they think a contract is for?

[Topper]

Sports Illustrated:

"tortious interference"

"injunctive relief"

"irreparable harm"

Interesting legal comments from this article and video. I like the hard ball approach by Baylor and perhaps 4 or 5 other Big 12 members.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/w ... ig-12-sec/

Comments about resurrecting the Southwest Conference, as well as this post on the Baylor Website:

Football in Texas is more than a passing interest, it is a part of the fabric of this great state.

• Will Texans stand by and watch hundred-year-old rivalries be cast aside as the state's largest universities align themselves with other states across the country?

• Will Texans sit and watch as Texas' flagship universities pledge their loyalties to other states?

• Will Texans stand by as our most promising student athletes are lured out of Texas by new rivals?

• Will Texans watch as our most precious resources -- the great minds of the next generation -- are exported to new conference institutions?

All of these things came to pass when the SWC broke up. Baylor wasn't crying then. Tough.

[GiddyUp]

I am really surprised that Bebe is still the commish, he should have been fired long ago - the schools should have raised a stink when Nebraska and Colorado left.... And blocked the Bevo network. Surely as a band of schools together could have formed a Big 12 network and made everyone happy.

[Topper]

I am really surprised that Bebe is still the commish, he should have been fired long ago - the schools should have raised a stink when Nebraska and Colorado left.... And blocked the Bevo network. Surely as a band of schools together could have formed a Big 12 network and made everyone happy.

UT got the leverage for the LHN when they pretended to flirt with the PAC 12 a couple of years ago. They were also plenty glad to see Nebraska leave since they have always considered Nebraska and the Big 12 title game to be unnecessary impediments to their path to the BCS title game. Bottom line: Greed wins out because the NCAA has no control over the game. There is no effective governing body to look out for the best interests of the sport and the players. The list of reforms that would bring about more competition and participation are too long to list.

[Statler]

Rule number one.............. never never give up a right to sue unles serious cash to pay off that right is involved

[RockStang]

Nice letter from Beebe-hope he is getting plenty of heartburn after f***king the Ponies way back when. Karma sucks!

[EastStang]

Rule #2 there is no consideration for a waiver unless you receive something in return. In other words a waiver is unenforceable if there is nothing paid for it. I suspect there is a sub-plot in all of the Big XII fine print that is not being discussed. Unless the President and the Trustees of A&M and their lawyers are totally stupid (granted they are Aggies), they must think that they have some legal right to leave for free, like an out clause, a breach of some material term of the contract, perhaps like Billy Clyde did to them, they never signed the contract, there's got to be something there that they feel legally gives them an out. Otherwise, they are a team without a conference. We'll take them in CUSA.