T.J. McDaniel Update

[malonish]

I love freedom of choice. Personally, I'm trusting in COVID to eliminate the stupid.

No surprise but regardless of vaccine status, it's still old and fat people that are going.

Check the hat color first to find the majority

[malonish]

Agreed. It's his body, he can do whatever the eff he wants.

The irony, eh?

[malonish]

I love when people mock freedom and rather be on the authoritarian side. Yikes.

Feel free to talk about "breakthrough cases", problem in Israel and natural immunity being superior to the vaccine. Follow Der ScIeNcE.

There's a lot here that I could correct but I doubt you're coming to the table in good faith so keep tuned to Faux News and when you develop your symptoms for any disorder, don't run to the doctors because they are untrustworthy, right?

[ponyte]

The article isn't exactly the full story. The Devise described isn't some radical new something or other. It's an electrical stimulator to promote healing which has been around for decades.

The FDA approves devises such as this based on a 510(k) approval. A 510(k) is a premarket submission made to FDA to demonstrate that the device to be marketed is as safe and effective, that is, substantially equivalent, to a legally marketed device (section 513(i)(1)(A) FD&C Act). Specifically, submitters must compare their device to one or more similar legally marketed devices and make and support their substantial equivalence claims. A legally marketed device is a device that was legally marketed prior to May 28, 1976, (preamendments device). And there were plenty of electrical stimulators avail be for promoting bone healing prior to 1976.

Electrical stimulators of bone healing have been around for decades. They have been used to promote healing in non-union fractures, spinal fusions and other skeletal injuries.

There are studies about the effectiveness of these devises. A small meta analysis of the effectiveness of electrical stimulators reference is provide for your research but is my no means close to the volumes of published data. recommend you look at more than one study to draw any conclusions.

Electrical stimulation for fracture healing: current evidence

Christina Goldstein 1 , Sheila Sprague, Bradley A Petrisor

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20182239/

He made his decision which is his right. It's his body. And Dykes make his decision which is his right.

The point isn't to argue for or against. Its to point out this is much more complicated than the somewhat simplistic presentation in the article.

[JasonB]

I love what Jurgen Klopp said about the vaccine.

If it only impacts yourself, then fine.

But in this case it impacts others. Being okay with people not getting the vaccine is the equivalent of allowing people to drink drive and just assuming they are only going to hurt themselves and nobody else on the road.

[MV pony]

I love what Jurgen Klopp said about the vaccine.

If it only impacts yourself, then fine.

But in this case it impacts others. Being okay with people not getting the vaccine is the equivalent of allowing people to drink drive and just assuming they are only going to hurt themselves and nobody else on the road.

You are so right. But the stupid just don't get it. Or don't care. Mark of the Devil? I suppose they didn't get the required small pox vac to enter school. 700,000 and counting.

[gostangs]

I love what Jurgen Klopp said about the vaccine.

If it only impacts yourself, then fine.

But in this case it impacts others. Being okay with people not getting the vaccine is the equivalent of allowing people to drink drive and just assuming they are only going to hurt themselves and nobody else on the road.

You are so right. But the stupid just don't get it. Or don't care. Mark of the Devil? I suppose they didn't get the required small pox vac to enter school. 700,000 and counting.

Or perhaps they aren't stupid. Perhaps they realize the following:
1) Natural immunity offers 10 times the protection as vaccines, and also offers better protection against variants. Reducing access to anything due to vaccination status is silly if you aren't taking natural immunity into consideration.
2) These specific vaccines have been shown to greatly reduce effectiveness over time. Leading some to question why being vaccinated is that big a deal when those vaccinated in Jan are now down below 50% effective - also...
3) The vaccinated are still getting and spreading covid. No doubt it helps handle symptoms but being vaccinated is no guarantee of anything - as we see daily with increased breakout cases. There is currently a surge of cases in New England - the capital of the vaccinated.
4) If you arent aged and/or underlying conditions this disease is not very deadly. 99.5% survival rate - probably higher since that includes the earlier days when exposure was greater among the at risk. This is the primary difference between covid and small pox.
5) Protein spike vaccines have been studied for a long time - but not used broadly until now. There is no way to know their long term effect until we get long term experience.
6) Dallas county hospital beds occupied by Covid related are down to under 15%. Death rate per 1,000 is at an all time low.

If i was older, or had underlying issues i'd take it. Easily worth the risk. But requiring others to inject themselves is unamerican, particularly based on the above. Those that are reluctant to take Covid vaccines are not stupid or selfish - they just asses the risk differently. Stop trying to shame them or condescend - that is what is stupid.

[SMU_Alum11]

I love when people mock freedom and rather be on the authoritarian side. Yikes.

Feel free to talk about "breakthrough cases", problem in Israel and natural immunity being superior to the vaccine. Follow Der ScIeNcE.

There's a lot here that I could correct but I doubt you're coming to the table in good faith so keep tuned to Faux News and when you develop your symptoms for any disorder, don't run to the doctors because they are untrustworthy, right?

Tell me where I'm wrong. I'll wait. You cant because you are part of the cult. Already referenced Israel. Business insider and others have already said natural immunity is more effective. I'm fine with vaccine but not with authoritarian cult minded folks.

[malonish]

You cant because you are part of the cult.

Like I said. Zero good faith. Glad I didn't put the effort in, tool. I could talk you blue in the face but you'd dismiss it due to your feelings. Anyway, may you stay healthy and not suffer the disease which is the number one death event in our country where we now have the option to curb hospitalization, death, and spread with a free shot.

[malonish]

2) These specific vaccines have been shown to greatly reduce effectiveness over time. Leading some to question why being vaccinated is that big a deal when those vaccinated in Jan are now down below 50% effective - also...
3) The vaccinated are still getting and spreading covid. No doubt it helps handle symptoms but being vaccinated is no guarantee of anything - as we see daily with increased breakout cases. There is currently a surge of cases in New England - the capital of the vaccinated.
4) If you arent aged and/or underlying conditions this disease is not very deadly. 99.5% survival rate - probably higher since that includes the earlier days when exposure was greater among the at risk. This is the primary difference between covid and small pox.

Learning time to combat the misinformation going around

4) Death vs survival is not the only end result so using that as your only gotcha metric is silly. Long Covid is a B.

You'd be interested in the following for 2 and 3:
2) https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 21263613v1
TL;DR 4 months with no waning effect and it's silly to say vaccines are bad because boosters exist. It's not a new concept.

3)
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... id/620161/

A study out of Harvard shows while breakthrough infections with Delta have similar peak viral loads (Ct) to that of unvaccinated individuals, viral loads decrease faster in vaccinated individuals AND they are contagious for a SHORTER period of time, and harbor less virus overall.

Researchers quantified the course of viral proliferation and clearance for 173 individuals with acute SARS-CoV-2 infections using longitudinal quantitative RT-PCR tests conducted using anterior nares/oropharyngeal samples (n = 199,941) as part of the National Basketball Association’s (NBA) occupational health program between November 28th, 2020, and August 11th, 2021. Researchers then measured the duration of viral proliferation and clearance and the peak viral concentration separately for individuals infected with Alpha (B.1.1.7), Delta (B.1.617.2) and non-variants of interest/variants of concern (non-VOI/VOC), and for vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals. What they found was that mean viral trajectories of Alpha and Delta infections resembled those of non-VOI/VOC infections. Vaccine breakthrough infections exhibited similar proliferation dynamics as infections in unvaccinated individuals (mean peak Ct: 20.5, vs. 20.7, and mean proliferation time 3.2 days vs. 3.5 days; HOWEVER vaccinated individuals exhibited faster clearance (mean clearance time: 5.5 days vs. 7.5 days. REMEMBER: Ct values/concentrations ARE NOT a measure of INFECTIOUSNESS. In other words, vaccinated individuals ARE NOT as likely to spread the coronavirus as unvaccinated individuals.

So, let’s talk about that because there is a lot of misinformation circulating recently. “Vaccinated people are just as likely to spread the coronavirus. This misunderstanding, born out of confusing statements from public-health authorities and misleading media headlines, is a shame. It is resulting in unnecessary fear among vaccinated people, all the while undermining the public’s understanding of the importance-and effectiveness-of getting vaccinated. So let me make one thing clear: Vaccinated people are NOT as likely to spread the coronavirus as the unvaccinated. Even in the U.S. where more than half of the population is fully vaccinated, the unvaccinated are responsible for the overwhelming majority of transmission. Despite concerns about waning immunity, vaccines provide the best protection against infection. And if someone isn’t infected, they can’t spread the coronavirus. It’s truly that simple. Additionally, for those instances of a vaccinated person getting a breakthrough case, yes, they can be as infectious as an unvaccinated person. But they are contagious for a shorter period of time when compared with the unvaccinated, and they harbor less infectious virus overall. That’s why getting more people their shots is crucial for controlling the spread of the coronavirus. Every vaccinated person helps limit the virus’s ability to hide, replicate, and propagate. Among the unvaccinated, the virus travels unhindered on a highway with multiple off-ramps and refueling stations. In the vaccinated, it gets lost in a maze of dead-end streets and cul-de-sacs. Every so often, it pieces together an escape route, but in most scenarios, it finds itself cut off, and its journey ends. It can go no further. Everyone knows that the vaccines help protect each individual who gets their shots. But when more people get vaccinated, this helps keep everyone else safe as well.”

[JasonB]

I love what Jurgen Klopp said about the vaccine.

If it only impacts yourself, then fine.

But in this case it impacts others. Being okay with people not getting the vaccine is the equivalent of allowing people to drink drive and just assuming they are only going to hurt themselves and nobody else on the road.

You are so right. But the stupid just don't get it. Or don't care. Mark of the Devil? I suppose they didn't get the required small pox vac to enter school. 700,000 and counting.

Or perhaps they aren't stupid. Perhaps they realize the following:
1) Natural immunity offers 10 times the protection as vaccines, and also offers better protection against variants. Reducing access to anything due to vaccination status is silly if you aren't taking natural immunity into consideration.
2) These specific vaccines have been shown to greatly reduce effectiveness over time. Leading some to question why being vaccinated is that big a deal when those vaccinated in Jan are now down below 50% effective - also...
3) The vaccinated are still getting and spreading covid. No doubt it helps handle symptoms but being vaccinated is no guarantee of anything - as we see daily with increased breakout cases. There is currently a surge of cases in New England - the capital of the vaccinated.
4) If you arent aged and/or underlying conditions this disease is not very deadly. 99.5% survival rate - probably higher since that includes the earlier days when exposure was greater among the at risk. This is the primary difference between covid and small pox.
5) Protein spike vaccines have been studied for a long time - but not used broadly until now. There is no way to know their long term effect until we get long term experience.
6) Dallas county hospital beds occupied by Covid related are down to under 15%. Death rate per 1,000 is at an all time low.

If i was older, or had underlying issues i'd take it. Easily worth the risk. But requiring others to inject themselves is unamerican, particularly based on the above. Those that are reluctant to take Covid vaccines are not stupid or selfish - they just asses the risk differently. Stop trying to shame them or condescend - that is what is stupid.

What risk are you taking?

- regardless of condition, you are much less likely to catch the virus or be a carrier if vaccinated than not vaccinated.
- regardless of condition, you are much less likely to be hospitalized if indeed you do get sick if you are vaccinated than not vaccinated.
- regardless of condition, you are much less likely to get long covid if you are vaccinated than if you are not vaccinated.
- regardless of condition, you are much less likely to die if you are vaccinated than if you are not vaccinated.

There is literally no risk matrix that would advise you to not get vaccinated unless you have an auto-immune disease.

I agree with you that if we were in an ideal world, all people would be tested before they are allowed to go indoors. But we don't have that mechanism set up. Next most effective thing is to check vaccination status, so that is why it is being done.

[SMU_Alum11]

Most people are fine with vaccines.

No one should be fine with mandates and where businesses and government entities say "Show me your papers". Creepy cringe authoritarianism but sadly same people wanting this are the same people who were supporters of the "patriot" act. "You have nothing to worry about if you arent doing anything wrong".

[Jim Rome]

I agree with all of you: football or not,I hope T.J. returns to full health and activity.

[SMU_Alum11]

I agree with all of you: football or not,I hope T.J. returns to full health and activity.

Amen.

[ALEX LIFESON]

Jason B- regardless of condition, you are much less likely to catch the virus or be a carrier if vaccinated than not vaccinated.
- regardless of condition, you are much less likely to be hospitalized if indeed you do get sick if you are vaccinated than not vaccinated.
- regardless of condition, you are much less likely to get long covid if you are vaccinated than if you are not vaccinated.
- regardless of condition, you are much less likely to die if you are vaccinated than if you are not vaccinated.

There is literally no risk matrix that would advise you to not get vaccinated unless you have an auto-immune disease.
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For arguments sake, let's say you are 100% correct. Then using that logic, why have over 1 million, unvetted illegals, been allowed into America, without the vaccine requirement...per Press Secretary Jen Psaki. They are then bussed, and flown to a neighborhood near you...at taxpayer expense.