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Postby OR-See-Nee » Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:08 am

No to Greg Davis. UT folks don't like him. Neither should we.
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Postby bigdaddy08091 » Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:48 pm

The possible coaches being mentioned on this board are so far off base it sickens me. PB was the best possible candidate at the time and continues to be, unless we can get someone like Chris Wilson, DE/ST coach at OU, who was a finalist when PB was hired. Chris is from the Dallas area. The only other option is to get a big name coach with issues like Fran or Price at UTEP and the board of regents will never go for that. We are stuck in a rut because we are SMU. And people stop bringing up the BB coach who could not make it at his own school, where talent just walks through the door daily!
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Re: Short List

Postby perunapower » Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:52 pm

bigdaddy08091 wrote:The possible coaches being mentioned on this board are so far off base it sickens me. PB was the best possible candidate at the time and continues to be, unless we can get someone like Chris Wilson, DE/ST coach at OU, who was a finalist when PB was hired. Chris is from the Dallas area. The only other option is to get a big name coach with issues like Fran or Price at UTEP and the board of regents will never go for that. We are stuck in a rut because we are SMU. And people stop bringing up the BB coach who could not make it at his own school, where talent just walks through the door daily!


I think you have a man-crush on this Chris Wilson. Everybody's been whining that we don't have a special teams coach. :lol:
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Re: Short List

Postby George S. Patton » Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:55 pm

bigdaddy08091 wrote: And people stop bringing up the BB coach who could not make it at his own school, where talent just walks through the door daily!


I'm at a loss to understand the sense behind this comment. Sir, if you'll remember Bill Guthridge did a great job of taking that program and running it off the road and caused UNC to miss the NCAA tournament for the first time in X years. So I guess the talent DIDN'T WALK THROUGH THE DOOR until Doherty returned and found the likes of Scott May and Felton to bring it back.

And Matt already covered that he didn't survive at UNC because his tactics caused an insurrection. He said he's atoned for it. I'll believe it until proven otherwise.

As for Phil's replacement, it will depend on who Orsini has in mind. Until then, we'll just have to wait and see.
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Postby bigdaddy08091 » Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:59 pm

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bigdaddy08091 wrote: And people stop bringing up the BB coach who could not make it at his own school, where talent just walks through the door daily!


I'm at a loss to understand the sense behind this comment. Sir, if you'll remember Bill Guthridge did a great job of taking that program and running it off the road and caused UNC to miss the NCAA tournament for the first time in X years. So I guess the talent DIDN'T WALK THROUGH THE DOOR until Doherty returned and found the likes of Scott May and Felton to bring it back.

And Matt already covered that he didn't survive at UNC because his tactics caused an insurrection. He said he's atoned for it. I'll believe it until proven otherwise.

As for Phil's replacement, it will depend on who Orsini has in mind. Until then, we'll just have to wait and see.


My point was simple, why bring in someone who has trouble winning where there is talent.
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Postby Canadian Mustang » Wed Oct 17, 2007 9:01 pm

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Postby PhirePhilBennett » Wed Oct 17, 2007 9:18 pm

Water Pony wrote:
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tristatecoog wrote:How about Navy's coach? He'll be at UNT in about three weeks and Orsini could get in an interview.

Solich is having a rough year at Ohio. The CMU coach looks better.


Paul Johnson (Navy) will get a look...no doubt.


If I were Paul Johnson, I would stay at Navy, one of the best coaching jobs in college FB. Besides they are more visible than we are or will be. With Notre Dame and Army always on your schedule, you get two very big media events and a team is admired by everyone.


What are you high on? Best coaching job in America? I don't think so...it's prestigious, but he'd take a leg up any time (not that SMU is).

Problem is that he makes 1.5mm...
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Postby MustangTu » Wed Oct 17, 2007 9:34 pm

It will take $1 to $1.5 Mil to get someone to take the job. PB was highly thought of when he came here inspite of what we think now. No coach of anyworth would want this job. If someone with a name dose take it I would not be surprised if we had to lay out around $1.5 M and guarantee at least 5 or 6 years. I too am running out of time. I don't know if I will last another 5 yr plan. The other thing a new coach might ask for in addition to $1.5 is an indoor practice building. That is the new recruiting tool.
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Postby Stallion » Wed Oct 17, 2007 9:48 pm

Do we really need an indoor facility. It would be great to have-but throwing money at this program is not the Problem-we are getting beat by programs far less funded than SMU. I bet the new Coach will be much more concerned about a different kind of commitment.
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Postby MustangTu » Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:02 pm

We really don't but as a recruiting tool it will be necessary. It showes the commitment. Not sure where it could be put on or near campus. Frankly we need to up grade our swiming facilities before we do that but I bet we don't.
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Postby Water Pony » Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:31 am

PhirePhilBennett wrote:
Water Pony wrote:
Darth Mustang wrote:
tristatecoog wrote:How about Navy's coach? He'll be at UNT in about three weeks and Orsini could get in an interview.

Solich is having a rough year at Ohio. The CMU coach looks better.


Paul Johnson (Navy) will get a look...no doubt.


If I were Paul Johnson, I would stay at Navy, one of the best coaching jobs in college FB. Besides they are more visible than we are or will be. With Notre Dame and Army always on your schedule, you get two very big media events and a team is admired by everyone.


What are you high on? Best coaching job in America? I don't think so...it's prestigious, but he'd take a leg up any time (not that SMU is).

Problem is that he makes 1.5mm...


What I am high on is excellence and Paul Johnson has it as does the service academies, which annually produce outstanding men and women to serve our country. What is not to like at Annapolis (West Point, Colorado Springs), unless your only interest is money and trying to satisfy the weekly hunger of state school fanatics?

My original point is SMU would not be a step up for Johnson. I would stay at Navy, where he is tenured for life. Does he need greater challenges than this current one, i.e. playing mano-a-mano with BCS schools when you are out weighted and probably less skilled? I give him credit and suggest leaving brings the endless pursuit of pleasing crazy fans, who will have much less patience. Paul would then on a merry-go-round and will leave his next school in three to four years. Then repeat.

Give me the long tenured guys Bowden, Paterno, Osborne, Fulmer, etc. Rent a coach is a difficult strategy to perpetuate.
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Postby Water Pony » Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:33 am

MustangTu wrote:We really don't but as a recruiting tool it will be necessary. It showes the commitment. Not sure where it could be put on or near campus. Frankly we need to up grade our swiming facilities before we do that but I bet we don't.


Finally, a poster on the FB Board, who really understands priorities!
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New SMU coach

Postby Charlie NT73 » Thu Oct 18, 2007 9:12 am

I have been reading all the posting regarding the qualifications the pony
fans are wanting in a new coach. Qualifications required: College head coaching experience, Dallas area ties, and good recruiting abilities.
Maybe the SMU bosses should consider Darrell Dickey.
Darrell Dickey has head coaching experience (he was successfull at NT)
Darrell has Dallas ties, and is known throughout the state. He could
recruit some very good kids to come to SMU.
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Postby perunapower » Thu Oct 18, 2007 9:21 am

Charlie NT73 wrote:I have been reading all the posting regarding the qualifications the pony
fans are wanting in a new coach. Qualifications required: College head coaching experience, Dallas area ties, and good recruiting abilities.
Maybe the SMU bosses should consider Darrell Dickey.
Darrell Dickey has head coaching experience (he was successfull at NT)
Darrell has Dallas ties, and is known throughout the state. He could
recruit some very good kids to come to SMU.


Why would we want a NTSU reject?
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Re: Short List

Postby mustangxc » Thu Oct 18, 2007 9:23 am

bigdaddy08091 wrote:
George S. Patton wrote:
bigdaddy08091 wrote: And people stop bringing up the BB coach who could not make it at his own school, where talent just walks through the door daily!


I'm at a loss to understand the sense behind this comment. Sir, if you'll remember Bill Guthridge did a great job of taking that program and running it off the road and caused UNC to miss the NCAA tournament for the first time in X years. So I guess the talent DIDN'T WALK THROUGH THE DOOR until Doherty returned and found the likes of Scott May and Felton to bring it back.

And Matt already covered that he didn't survive at UNC because his tactics caused an insurrection. He said he's atoned for it. I'll believe it until proven otherwise.

As for Phil's replacement, it will depend on who Orsini has in mind. Until then, we'll just have to wait and see.


My point was simple, why bring in someone who has trouble winning where there is talent.


Matt Doherty won a lot his first year at UNC, however, Bill Guthridge is the worst recruiter in the world and left the cupboard bare for Matt Doherty. As a result, UNC was mediocre-bad in Doherty's 2nd and 3rd years.
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